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Discover Hertford Online ForumTalk about Hertford 2015-09-06T20:19:59+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/app.php/feed/topic/627 2015-09-06T20:19:59+01:002015-09-06T20:19:59+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=4145#p4145 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
This follows advice from lawyers working for the council that the decision made in March 2015 exposes the Council to a significant risk of a successful Judicial Review challenge.

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2015-06-03T10:10:01+01:002015-06-03T10:10:01+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3827#p3827 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]> I agree with Steve the new store will not help Ware either, simply too far away.

There is a lot of posturing, Waitrose will go whatever, the redevelopment won't happen if Waitrose go etc. Who knows what their real stance is - we shall have to wait and see.

As for Sainsbury, we have had a huge increase in Supermarket capacity locally, you can't just produce new customers so just spread the current ones more thinly. Sainsbury in Ware are still yet to come. Maybe they are all banking on the massive house building under the District Plan.

(ps Ware High Street going from strength to strength - really? If you want your hair done or a coffee/takeaway maybe)

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2015-06-02T14:02:54+01:002015-06-02T14:02:54+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3825#p3825 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]> Statistics:Posted by Golden — Tue 02 Jun, 2015 2:02 pm


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2015-06-02T13:53:32+01:002015-06-02T13:53:32+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3824#p3824 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
I have no doubt waitrose will go. And it seems pretty likely we'll get an Aldi or Lidl, which will be no bad thing. We wont get any bircherly green redevlopment though.

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2015-06-02T12:20:16+01:002015-06-02T12:20:16+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3823#p3823 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
I also don't understand why Conservative councillosr are against the new Waitrose in Ware. surely the free market is the way to go? it always has been...

or perhaps the existing Waitrose could become a barber/estate agent/ nail bar/ coffee shop/ 'Italian style' eaterie...? as I'm fairly sure there is a shortage of these in Hertford.

I also enjoy Waitrose as it is the only supermarket where you will hear a mother shout ' Put the Papaya down, Orlando!' or a child ask, 'Daddy, does Lego have a ''T'' at the end like Merlot?'

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2015-05-30T14:00:59+01:002015-05-30T14:00:59+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3818#p3818 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
Waitrose is clearly unhappy with the custom it receives in hertford
Waitrose is very happy with the custom. It's a busy store. Unfortunately the size and configuration of the retail unit is wholly unsuitable for a 21st century supermarket, hence the owner's desire to level the site and rebuild.
the shop has been run down for many years - presumably due to lack of investment
Waitrose have recently invested in a new customer service counter and tills. The John Lewis Click & Collect service is hugely popular with over 100 orders being collected daily - hence the new service counter.
Therefore the objections are quite childish in my opinion, and possibly motivated even by a jealouse fear that 'ware will have a waitrose, and hertford not'
Ware will not have a Waitrose. The proposed store is a mile and a half from Ware.

To the west of Hertford, Welwyn Garden City has a Waitrose. No jealousy there. Ware would be welcome to a Waitrose. I believe there was discussion some year ago about them being situated on the edge of town. No problem there. The objections are to an out of town store, regardless of who it operates under.
Looking forward to a petition to allow ware residents to express their own support for waitrose
There was one, albeit by residents of Great Amwell.

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2015-05-30T11:57:13+01:002015-05-30T11:57:13+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3817#p3817 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
In a similar vein to a comment previously, it would indeed be suprising to see a large number of hertford residents objecting to any new supermarket on the opposite side of ware, if there was no angle on a corresponding closure in hertford.

Waitrose is clearly unhappy with the custom it receives in hertford- the shop has been run down for many years - presumably due to lack of investment - one has to conclude that they are leaving hertford regardless.

Therefore the objections are quite childish in my opinion, and possibly motivated even by a jealouse fear that 'ware will have a waitrose, and hertford not'

Looking forward to a petition to allow ware residents to express their own support for waitrose - ware town centre is going from strength to strength these recent years, and bringing waitrose will enhance the town further - I don't believe it needs to worry.

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2015-05-30T02:10:21+01:002015-05-30T02:10:21+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3816#p3816 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
Did you actually read the petition? Where does it say anything about Waitrose?
In which case why title your OP "Waitrose Great Amwell Petition"?
Yes, apologies, my error.

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2015-05-29T23:35:01+01:002015-05-29T23:35:01+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3815#p3815 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
Did you actually read the petition? Where does it say anything about Waitrose?
In which case why title your OP "Waitrose Great Amwell Petition"?

Statistics:Posted by The Masked Woler — Fri 29 May, 2015 11:35 pm


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2015-05-29T14:19:44+01:002015-05-29T14:19:44+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3814#p3814 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
Waitrose and ASDA customers are quite different...
Oh dear - are we not allowed to shop in both? Does just putting on another hat suffice?

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2015-05-29T13:19:23+01:002015-05-29T13:19:23+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3813#p3813 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
It was made clear from the beginning that the main purpose of the opposition to the plan was to retain the Hertford store. Would Hertford Councillors be so concerned about a piece of, already concreted over, Green Belt which is out of their area otherwise?

The remaining objections came later and, in any event, really have no effect on Hertford at all.

Waitrose and ASDA customers are quite different and any Waitrose shoppers will already be going to Hertford (or even Welwyn) so I'm not sure the suggestion that it will affect Ware is valid - maybe but maybe not.

Again I make no assumptions regarding them leaving, they have said they will and that the new plans are not viable. You are the one making assumptions that they are not being up front.

Having said that the comparable sites included in the application were notable in that they appeared only to include the most unsuitable sites and left out any which would have been suitable. They also claimed to have been looking for a suitable site for some time - clearly not very hard since I could name several. But then I don't shop in their current store and won't be using the new one if they ever build it (which I doubt, but then who knows in the light of recent decisions)

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2015-05-29T09:56:54+01:002015-05-29T09:56:54+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3812#p3812 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
How can a petition force Waitrose to stay in Hertford when they have already said they are leaving whatever?

Surely, if successful, the only effect will be to cost all those at Waitrose their jobs.
Did you actually read the petition? Where does it say anything about Waitrose? Or Hertford?

This is about scrutiny of a planning decision that goes against the council's own policies and counter to national planning guidelines.
I was going by quotes from Cll Sartin in the Mercury and previously as to the purpose behind the petition. She and others have made it quite clear what their intention is.

Whether there is mention of Hertford or Waitrose is irrelevant, we know what they are about and my comment stands - if the petition succeeds and Waitrose go all there will lose their jobs.

As for whether Waitrose will leave - will they be happy to have their plans thwarted and to be told where they must have stores by the council?

I don't think you've read or understand any of what this is about Masked Woler, other than reading the headlines and coming up with your own assumptions.

This is not about forcing Waitrose to stay which is obviously a ludicrous suggestion that neither the petition or Cllr Sartin's quotes in the Mercury mention at any stage, this is about the creation of an out of town supermarket which, as Steve said previously, goes against the council policy and national planning guidelines. Have no doubt, this will damage the towns or Hertford and Ware. As I'm sure you'll have seen on the Wareonline forum (http://www.wareonline.co.uk/discussion/ ... 4436#p4436) there's already talk of local businesses suffering in Ware since the opening of Asda, and that's only a short walk from the high street, so imagine the affects of an out of town supermarket opening in the area.

With regards to potential job losses Waitrose are threatening should they not get their way on this, you're making further assumptions that Waitrose are being completely honest with the public that they are willing to walk away from Hertford and lose their presence in the local area at a time when they are investing heavily in opening new stores across the country over the next two years (http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/stores/prope ... 55.article), and that should this not all be bluff and bluster from Waitrose, that the 120 staff presently based in the Hertford store will all be willing and able to travel to an out of town supermarket to continue working for the company.

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2015-05-29T09:17:01+01:002015-05-29T09:17:01+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3811#p3811 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
How can a petition force Waitrose to stay in Hertford when they have already said they are leaving whatever?

Surely, if successful, the only effect will be to cost all those at Waitrose their jobs.
Did you actually read the petition? Where does it say anything about Waitrose? Or Hertford?

This is about scrutiny of a planning decision that goes against the council's own policies and counter to national planning guidelines.
I was going by quotes from Cll Sartin in the Mercury and previously as to the purpose behind the petition. She and others have made it quite clear what their intention is.

Whether there is mention of Hertford or Waitrose is irrelevant, we know what they are about and my comment stands - if the petition succeeds and Waitrose go all there will lose their jobs.

As for whether Waitrose will leave - will they be happy to have their plans thwarted and to be told where they must have stores by the council?

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2015-05-29T08:35:56+01:002015-05-29T08:35:56+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3810#p3810 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
I think perhaps the claim that it will close anyway should be taken with a generous pinch of salt.

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2015-05-28T23:55:40+01:002015-05-28T23:55:40+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=627&p=3809#p3809 <![CDATA[Re: Waitrose Great Amwell petition]]>
How can a petition force Waitrose to stay in Hertford when they have already said they are leaving whatever?

Surely, if successful, the only effect will be to cost all those at Waitrose their jobs.
Did you actually read the petition? Where does it say anything about Waitrose? Or Hertford?

This is about scrutiny of a planning decision that goes against the council's own policies and counter to national planning guidelines.

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