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Discover Hertford Online ForumTalk about Hertford 2019-02-23T20:25:12+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/app.php/feed/topic/983 2019-02-23T20:25:12+01:002019-02-23T20:25:12+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6209#p6209 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]>
A lot of people don't seem to realise that.
OK, these are my views. If you don’t solve today’s problems how can you gauge what tomorrow’s will be as we have been chasing this tail since the 1950’s. Those ‘in the know’ tell us we will all be using EVs, lowering pollution (ignoring the raw metal extraction process), and possibly self-driving vehicles so solving pollution! (Obviously ignoring the total lack or torque of EV’s when it comes to using them for HGV’s/Road building equipment and the like). Of course the A414 will get busier especially as it is proposed to build a bridge off the north bound A1 at junc 4 to the A414 – an invitation to traffic to divert at that point. Where is the evidence HCC has even consulted with DoT on a regional solution rather than a “locally paid for solution” with an appropriate cross road link between the M25 and the A14 like an upgrade of A505? if the route was built and not upgraded to major A road won’t we be left with the long term costs? Where are the proposals to upgrade M25/A10 feeder or A1(M) as it will be an invitation to trucks. The paper does suggest that building the bypass will also open up more land for housing – where is that land? I suggest that it is between Hertford and the bypass. Remember more roads=more housing=more traffic=more roads=more pollution - the issue we have now, but without the more roads

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2019-02-23T11:59:06+01:002019-02-23T11:59:06+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6207#p6207 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]> https://bit.ly/2GF6fad Can’t help but note there is no mention of infrastructure for builds already completed and causing congestion and pollution problems.

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2019-02-22T22:19:40+01:002019-02-22T22:19:40+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6206#p6206 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]> Statistics:Posted by Ellensdottir — Fri 22 Feb, 2019 10:19 pm


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2019-02-22T10:36:59+01:002019-02-22T10:36:59+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6205#p6205 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]> https://twitter.com/hertscc/status/1098537220993179648

The consultation ends on Monday 25th at EOB (5pm?).

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2019-02-16T08:27:36+01:002019-02-16T08:27:36+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6204#p6204 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]> Statistics:Posted by TcfL — Sat 16 Feb, 2019 8:27 am


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2019-02-13T23:22:37+01:002019-02-13T23:22:37+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6201#p6201 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]>
Yes, we need to reduce traffic on the A414 around Hertford. But do we need a new bypass in 10 or more years time to solve today's travel problems? No! HCC says it would cost "up to £500 million". There are plenty of things that could be done to reduce present traffic levels in the next few years. If they do not work, then consider building a Mass Rapid Transit system for the benefit of all east-west travellers in Hertfordshire. It is what has been done elsewhere, in the UK and on mainland Europe, and it works! See www.hertfordcivicsociety.org.uk for a YouTube video on this point of view. Or go to YouTube and search for A414 Hertford bypass.
As you will have seen in the consultation, one of the arguments in favour of the bypass is that it will free up space for the proposed MRT (Mass Rapid Transit).

Whilst I'd be interested to hear your ideas on how to reduce traffic levels, the point is that traffic levels are going to increase as a result of the significant level of housebuilding that will take place along the corridor in the next decade or two. The current levels of congestion are going to get worse, so doing nothing is not an option. It's not just about "solving today's traffic problems", it's about solving tomorrow's.

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2019-02-13T18:13:25+01:002019-02-13T18:13:25+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6200#p6200 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]> www.hertfordcivicsociety.org.uk for a YouTube video on this point of view. Or go to YouTube and search for A414 Hertford bypass.

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2019-01-20T10:47:00+01:002019-01-20T10:47:00+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6154#p6154 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]> Statistics:Posted by TcfL — Sun 20 Jan, 2019 10:47 am


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Actually, IMHO, there are three main drivers behind the bypass (pardon the pun) - congestion, pollution and the need to make space for the Mass Rapid Transit system.
I imagine the biggest driver is congestion. And specifically dealing with it to support all the new housing and cars in the EHDC District Plan.

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It was a journalist chappie. He pointed out that a major driver for dealing with Gascoyne way is pollution. And the plan is supposed to run till 2033. By which time we'll all be driving electric cars. So the pollution problem will just magically disappear. And driverless cars will mean that the traffic problem will also just magic away. The hopium is strong in this one.
Actually, IMHO, there are three main drivers behind the bypass (pardon the pun) - congestion, pollution and the need to make space for the Mass Rapid Transit system.

I would agree that predicting future traffic flows is complicated by advancing vehicle technology, but this must not stop us from addressing a very real problem that exists NOW.
My fav commenter was the guy who lounged against the wall and led them down a rabbit hole of questions. To the point where they'd agreed that the Gascoyne Way mass transit system would continue to Ware via the Ware Rd and Liberty Rise. And that building social housing with no parking was policy, leading to cars parked on the pavement of both sides of Ware rd, leaving no room for the mass transit system. All asked in a quiet 'take or leave it' voice.
He was the guy "heckling" early on (may not have been heard by all). I suspect he is unaware of the different roles playing by the County Council (Highways policy) and District Council (Housing policy - and parking!).

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My fav commenter was the guy who lounged against the wall and led them down a rabbit hole of questions. To the point where they'd agreed that the Gascoyne Way mass transit system would continue to Ware via the Ware Rd and Liberty Rise. And that building social housing with no parking was policy, leading to cars parked on the pavement of both sides of Ware rd, leaving no room for the mass transit system. All asked in a quiet 'take or leave it' voice.

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2019-01-17T14:33:55+01:002019-01-17T14:33:55+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6150#p6150 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]>
Questions about the impact of driverless cars, LOL seriously who asked that? *facepalm*
Doesn't seem unreasonable given the timeframes we're talking about

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2019-01-17T12:45:18+01:002019-01-17T12:45:18+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6148#p6148 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]>
I'd love to see a sensible way to cycle to hatfield station - not far, but at the moment from what i can tell anyway there's no safe way to do it.
Cole Green Way (Bridle Way - no traffic except occasional horse)
West along Cole Green Lane (cycle route)
Take first exit South at Roundabout down Howlands (this is the busiest part)

Option 1
Take first exit South at Roundabout down Ascots Lane after new QEII Hospital
Take first exit South at Roundabout down Gypsy Lane towards Hertford Road
There is a cycle path that runs Wst along Hertford Road (detached from traffic - very safe)
Get on A1000 and go South down A1000 (off road cycle lane)
Get on (quiet) Old Hertford Road then you can cut through the houses up to Hatfield train station

Option 2
Carry on to the A1000 rounabout
Take first exit South at Roundabout down A1000 (off road cycle lane)
Get on (quiet) Old Hertford Road then you can cut through the houses up to Hatfield train station

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2019-01-17T08:40:20+01:002019-01-17T08:40:20+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6145#p6145 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]>
Too many thoughts about all this, this morning. Mainly, they should stop chasing unicorns around SciFi mass transport systems, unfunded bypasses and so on. And do the small stuff they promised in the 2010 Hertford-Ware urban transport report. Things that might actually make a difference, like providing safe, lit, secure, pleasant walkways between the Foxholes estate and Presdales/Simon Balle. Providing a walking route between Crane Meads and Ware station that doesn't cross the road. Providing fast, cheap transport between Hertford East and Hertford North.
I'd love to see a sensible way to cycle to hatfield station - not far, but at the moment from what i can tell anyway there's no safe way to do it.

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2019-01-17T08:38:40+01:002019-01-17T08:38:40+01:00 https://hertford.net/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=983&p=6144#p6144 <![CDATA[Re: A414 Corridor Consultation]]>
https://hertford.net/local-news/?id=130

Questions about the impact of driverless cars, LOL seriously who asked that? *facepalm*

Not surprising those who attended are against it. they'll be all the people living on the route, or those that dont drive.

I dont think lack of budget is a blocker though - these things have to be designed/worked through, once you play the game and follow the process the government will eventually stump up. Especially in this case as it's a prerequisite to the new developments around welwyn etc.

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