Topic ID 1007
Somewhere to the south of Hertford there appears to be some sort of rave going on. I've just spoken to the police and they're being inundated with calls.
Reply ID 11087
if i can get hold of them their dead..1.32 am all i can hear is thud thud thud just phoned police ..got visitors staying and its a bit embarrassing as we've all been woken up after talking about how nice hertford is[:(!]
Reply ID 11088
Was it coming from Hartham Common? What a racket and will teach me not to forgo my normal Saturday night alcohol intake. Where on earth were the police - sorry that's a stupid question !
Reply ID 11089
Definitely not Hartham. If it was a rave, simply sending round a handful of police wouldn't make any difference, it would be a job for the riot squad. The police are pretty stretched on a Saturday night as it is.
Reply ID 11090
Whooo! Great party! Just got in! (OK, I nicked that gag from Ware Online, where there is also a thread from residents kept awake by the noise). I understand the rave was somewhere near Balls Park and was broken up by the Police without incident or arrests sometime around 3ish.
Reply ID 11091
Wondered where the block rockin' beats were coming from last night - heard quite clearly up here in Bengeo. Never thought I'd hear the words illegal, rave and Hertford in the same sentence.
Reply ID 11092
Similar discussion on Ware Online http://www.wareonline.co.uk/haveyoursay/topic.php?id=1145
Reply ID 11093
I'm told that they had permission from the landowner, but that he/she didn't quite realise the scale of the event.
Reply ID 11094
We were very lucky! We had fireworks to go with the music at just before 2am [:(!]
Reply ID 11095
Raves are far harder to deal with than parties as police are of course vastly outnumbered and often let them die a natural death around the time most people wake up - although one disgruntled couple not from round these parts took the matter in their own hands and blasted the sound system with shotguns - end of problem.
Reply ID 11096
I was lying in bed trying to work out which of my neighbours was being so inconsiderate having their stereo on so loud it was thumping through my walls at gone 1am! (I'd decided who I was blaming, so glad I read this before I might have said something!)
Reply ID 11097
According to the Ware Forum it boomed as far as Thundridge
Reply ID 11099
I'm as angered not to have been invited[:(!] our friends 4 year old blamed us!!
Reply ID 11100
[:(!] I live in Hornsmill Road I was awake untill about 3 with the noise. I think it was coming from the football club in West Street.!!!
Reply ID 11101
quote:I would be surprised. From my house I can usually hear the tackles on a Saturday afternoon and I heard nothing last night.
Originally posted by lee
[:(!] I live in Hornsmill Road I was awake untill about 3 with the noise. I think it was coming from the football club in West Street.!!!
Reply ID 11102
Must be going deaf...blissful nights sleep. Didn't here a thing. Could all the plane noise have affected my ears?
Reply ID 11103
!"£$%^$£%£&*$££"£$ £$£$^&^£$^"!£$^&^$£^ $£^£$^t31^£!!^ers! Millmead way till 2.30am not impressed. I did consider taking a srtoll with a large bat, but considering a guy I work with was also kept awake and he lives in the Hyde, I may have been walking all night!
Reply ID 11104
quote:Bengeo bottom reporting; also didn't hear a thing. [|)]
Originally posted by carlos fandango
Must be going deaf...blissful nights sleep. Didn't here a thing. Could all the plane noise have affected my ears?
Reply ID 11108
I thought at one stage it was coming from the Police HQ social club ... based speculatively on the lack of action to stop the flippin' noise.
Reply ID 11111
2 police cars and large police van in mangrove rd at 1.00am so why did noise pollution continue until 2.30am?[:(]
Reply ID 11112
Heard in The Avenue, Bengeo. I also saw Fireworks !!! that only started about 10.00..pm.. as I was watching Parky on Saturday!!! I think they were around the bottom of Bengeo, not far from Beane road.. whoever had the rave has successfully disturbed all of Hertford... did their neighbours not realise and call the police to get a precise location??? I am all for parties, but hey, keep the noise indoors!!!!
Reply ID 11113
As i mentioned previously the police's policy is gently gently approach when they are vastly outnumbered...2.30am was probably a compromise reached between the two parties - no arrests, no paperwork etc etc.
Reply ID 11114
2.30am is not a compromise for all the residents of hertford who could not sleep. a 'gently gently' approach is just not good enough given the number of people affected. If the police stood back because they wer outnumbered, that is disgraceful. If as is posted on another reply a landowner gave permission for this event, the landowner should be prosecuted. Yes I also was young once but there are plenty of licenced outlets for this type of activity. [:(!]
Reply ID 11115
quote:My information is that there were several arrests.
Originally posted by Rachel
I understand the rave was somewhere near Balls Park and was broken up by the Police without incident or arrests sometime around 3ish.
Reply ID 11116
quote:I was doing the same, didn't seem to rouse Mr Tigger though which made it all the more irritating as I could not get him to out out and confront the neighbours - Good Job really now we know.
Originally posted by Kate
I was lying in bed trying to work out which of my neighbours was being so inconsiderate having their stereo on so loud it was thumping through my walls at gone 1am! (I'd decided who I was blaming, so glad I read this before I might have said something!)
Reply ID 11120
Police will be issuing a statement later this morning. More follows shortly.
Reply ID 11122
Sounds like we missed out on all the fun!
Reply ID 11125
The Batty family slept soundly... we are used to sleeping through Compo's snoring!
Reply ID 11126
Is there anyone out there who was actually at the rave?
Reply ID 11127
We were kept awake all night over near Foxholes. I'd be interested to know what steps are going to be taken to make sure this doesn't happen again. Ihave a 3 month old baby so I get little enough sleep as it is, without being kept awake un-necessarily. I used to live in Hackney, and never experienced any party or event as loud as that - we moved to Hertford for some peace and quiet. I hope the owner of the field, or where-ever it took place, is named and shamed (and hopefully will issue an apology). Farmers and landowners always claim to be 'surprised' by the scale of unauthorised rave events, though one assumes they are not surprised by the large amount of money appearing in their bank accounts. The police/environmental health response did seem a bit slow considering the number of complaints that they must have received. I await the police's statement with interest.
Reply ID 11130
The fireworks looked like they came from Sele school or a house in fordwich rise. or were there 2 loads?
Reply ID 11131
I only saw the ones coming from the Sele area mid-evening.
Reply ID 11132
http://www.herts.police.uk/crimedatabase/site/content.php?article_id=1865 HERTFORD RAVE STOPPED BY POLICE By Corporate Communication Dept FOLLOWING a large number of calls on Sunday morning (October 16), police attended and successfully disbanded a ‘rave’ near Balls Park, Hertford without incident. Shortly after 1am, police received over 100 noise complaints from residents in the Hertford area regarding an ‘open air’ party that had commenced without prior notification to police. Officers quickly responded and after an intensive search of the area, managed to locate a group of around 150 people in an isolated field near Balls Park. Inspector Pat Rawle said: “ After a short period of negotiation, the music was quickly turned off and officers directed the group to leave the land. The party-goers then left the area peacefully. At the same time, authority was given to designate the event as a ‘rave’ thereby enacting police powers to arrest anyone who refused to leave, or returned to the scene. This law also gives police the power to confiscate audio equipment if necessary. “The group was very co-operative, and no arrests were necessary. In a relatively short period of time everyone left the area, taking all property and litter with them.” He added: “Even if you have permission from the landowner, raves are still illegal and anyone planning to hold one will be dealt with robustly by police. These events can often cause distress and inconvenience to nearby residents, as well as stretching resources during periods of high police demand’.
Reply ID 11133
I was too drunk to care!
Reply ID 11135
I wish i had been ! So it took them an hour and a half to locate, negotiate and have the music turned off....not impressed.
Reply ID 11136
I agree. 1.5hours to switch off music and no arrests is not what I would call good policing.
Reply ID 11137
quote:I stand corrected.
Originally posted by Stevequote:My information is that there were several arrests.
Originally posted by Rachel
I understand the rave was somewhere near Balls Park and was broken up by the Police without incident or arrests sometime around 3ish.
Reply ID 11139
Maybe you wish they had arrested all of the party goers and then spent the next 24 hours doing the paperwork - wonder what would have happened then if there had been an incident and you couldn't get hold of police. Seems to me that no matter what the police do they're in the wrong. Problem is you are blaming the wrong people. The police that there are do a hard job as well as they can considering their resources are stretched to the max. If you want to complain to anyone write to your MP about lack of police in the area. I'm sure every police officer in the country would like more police on the beat to help lighten their very heavy load. C
Reply ID 11140
quote:There was a series of Banger type fireworks let off at around 1.55am, seemed to be around the Tudor Way area. I was just starting to drift off and the bloody things almost made me fall out of bed.[V] My wife had had a curry that evening but I'm sure it wasn't that[:0]
Steve Posted - 17 Oct 2005 : 15:44:19 I only saw the ones coming from the Sele area mid-evening. [quote]
Reply ID 11141
fireworks i saw happened pre midnight...went out in the street to see where the war was. think zoolander was still on.
Reply ID 11142
quote:According to my Daughter the earlier ones were in Alexander Road or there abouts.
carlos fandango Posted - 17 Oct 2005 : 18:25:23 fireworks i saw happened pre midnight...went out in the street to see where the war was. think zoolander was still on.
Reply ID 11152
Im sorry, I thought Fireworks night was on the 5th of November. It now seems that we have to endure 3 weeks of explosions just so that the shops can increase there profit margins. The cheapo shop in Hertford have fireworks big enough for Bush and Blair to invade!
Reply ID 11156
I fully appreciate the problems of police staffing, however south hertford and ware experienced two and a half hours of severe noise pollution after midnight-too long. I would have liked the organisers arrested and perhaps the landowner, otherwise we could 'raves' every weekend simply moving from one property to another.
quote:
Originally posted by Chicks
Maybe you wish they had arrested all of the party goers and then spent the next 24 hours doing the paperwork - wonder what would have happened then if there had been an incident and you couldn't get hold of police. Seems to me that no matter what the police do they're in the wrong. Problem is you are blaming the wrong people. The police that there are do a hard job as well as they can considering their resources are stretched to the max. If you want to complain to anyone write to your MP about lack of police in the area. I'm sure every police officer in the country would like more police on the beat to help lighten their very heavy load. C
Reply ID 11157
If the noise had been coming from a private party the police would have forced them to turn it down immediately.
Reply ID 11161
quote:I agree. There are too few police available to wade into 150 youngsters, seeking out the organisers and locking them up for the night, along with the landlord. Noise pollution is not fun but it's a minor offence compared to the crimes that I want my overstretched and under resourced police force to be available to deal with. Besides, all the late night fireworks and Stansted's planes mean plenty of noise pollution anyway.
Originally posted by Chicks
Maybe you wish they had arrested all of the party goers and then spent the next 24 hours doing the paperwork - wonder what would have happened then if there had been an incident and you couldn't get hold of police. Seems to me that no matter what the police do they're in the wrong. Problem is you are blaming the wrong people. The police that there are do a hard job as well as they can considering their resources are stretched to the max. If you want to complain to anyone write to your MP about lack of police in the area. I'm sure every police officer in the country would like more police on the beat to help lighten their very heavy load. C
Reply ID 11166
What rubbish. The planes from Stansted last a matter of a few seconds and are not that noisey. The boom diddy boom that we all had to put up with on Saturday lasted 3 1/2 hours. Im glad that I dont live closer, otherwise the overstretched Police force may have had a more serious crime to deal with.
Reply ID 11167
quote:I think not. Last November 5th one of our neighbours (Gill & Jez know who) had a firework display to match the professionals that lasted for nearly 3 hours. I phoned the police after 2 hours and they said they wouldn't do anything about it.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
If the noise had been coming from a private party the police would have forced them to turn it down immediately.
Reply ID 11168
For all those who think noise from the rave was a minor issue, on Sat/sun i can only describe the effect as being similar to a car stereo with full bass effect blasting away outside the front door and I live miles yes miles from the source.
Reply ID 11169
quote:Would this not construe disturbing the peace?
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:I think not. Last November 5th one of our neighbours (Gill & Jez know who) had a firework display to match the professionals that lasted for nearly 3 hours. I phoned the police after 2 hours and they said they wouldn't do anything about it.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
If the noise had been coming from a private party the police would have forced them to turn it down immediately.
Reply ID 11170
quote:If you have had lived next door to me, I would have charged you entrance!!!! [8D]
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:I think not. Last November 5th one of our neighbours (Gill & Jez know who) had a firework display to match the professionals that lasted for nearly 3 hours. I phoned the police after 2 hours and they said they wouldn't do anything about it.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
If the noise had been coming from a private party the police would have forced them to turn it down immediately.
Reply ID 11172
Just referring you to the discussion thread about airport noise, Victor seemed to be able to sleep through it, most people thought it was getting worse and was continuous and it appears to be likely that night flights are on the increase. http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=857&whichpage=3 This [rave] example of noise pollution was undoubtedly a throroughly unpleasant experience and one I would not wish on anyone. However, arresting and locking up people does not seem appropriate when there is no danger of damage to people or property. Just as, despite the extreme annoyance of late night fireworks in the neighbourhood, I would not expect the police to arrest the bloke up the road for setting off a Super Rocket bought from the local newsagents as the culmination of a 30 minute display in his back garden - even if it didn't start until after the dinner party finished at 11.00pm. My gripe is with shop sales to non-licenced purchasers i.e. Joe Public, who can then let off fireworks as and when, or sell them to a 13 year old.
Reply ID 11173
Ah Ha! But I can sleep though the airplanes, but I could not sleep through the rave.
Reply ID 11174
Please start a new thread if you want to comment on fireworks. Please use the existing threads for comments about aircraft noise. Please carry on if you wish to contribute to the rave discussion. [:)]
Reply ID 11178
The organisers of this, should have been dealt with at the least......If the Police cant get them, Enviromental Health or the Health & Safety Executive.
Reply ID 11184
I was ready to blame my neighbours for the racket. It was only when I went outside to investigate that I realised it was coming from miles away. Good sound system by the sounds of it. I might hire them in for my Fireworks display!!
Reply ID 11187
I concur on the noise-level, particularly where I am in Hertford, I had all my double glazed windows shut and I was wearing earplugs and I could still hear it like it was next-door. weasel
Reply ID 11192
quote:Sounds like a call centre to me. Where's the hash key?[:)]
Please start a new thread if you want to comment on fireworks. Please use the existing threads for comments about aircraft noise. Please carry on if you wish to contribute to the rave discussion.
Reply ID 11210
quote:I knew that was coming but couldn't work out how to put the point about police resourcing on the rave into context on noise and fireworks without almost starting new threads and referring to another. It was a bit of a crazy feeling and it looks like I got you reeling.
Originally posted by Admin
Please start a new thread if you want to comment on fireworks. Please use the existing threads for comments about aircraft noise. Please carry on if you wish to contribute to the rave discussion. [:)]
Reply ID 11241
quote:
Originally posted by Victor Meldrewquote:The neighbours in question were reported to HA alot over the summer due to loud music til early hrs. If you have had lived next door to me, I would have charged you entrance!!!! [8D]
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:I think not. Last November 5th one of our neighbours (Gill & Jez know who) had a firework display to match the professionals that lasted for nearly 3 hours. I phoned the police after 2 hours and they said they wouldn't do anything about it.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
If the noise had been coming from a private party the police would have forced them to turn it down immediately.
Reply ID 11280
The rave story is on the front page of the Hertfordshire Star this evening, complete with the "if I get hold of them they're dead" comment from Wingnut, lifted from this very forum [8D]
Reply ID 11284
quote:They'll never find the bodies[;)]
Originally posted by Joby
The rave story is on the front page of the Hertfordshire Star this evening, complete with the "if I get hold of them they're dead" comment from Wingnut, lifted from this very forum [8D]
Reply ID 11295
I brought my new born twin boys home from hospital on Saturday. Living a few hundred yards from the "Rave", you can imagine how badly they settled on their first night in Hertford. I complained to the police and then spent 2 hours pacing the babies up and down trying to calm them down, while the police acted at the speed of a snail. This town used to be brilliant. What went wrong?
Reply ID 11296
quote:Congratulations! I can sympathise with pacing the floor boards.
Originally posted by Dude
I brought my new born twin boys home from hospital on Saturday. Living a few hundred yards from the "Rave", you can imagine how badly they settled on their first night in Hertford. I complained to the police and then spent 2 hours pacing the babies up and down trying to calm them down, while the police acted at the speed of a snail. This town used to be brilliant. What went wrong?
Reply ID 11312
Their DJ was very good though. After the initial annoyance of hearing it, I settled down to appreciate the eclectic mix of tunes he/she was playing. It was definitely out of order though, as it must have been really annoying to those who don't appreciate a 4/4 beat!
Reply ID 11315
It all sounded the same to me.
Reply ID 11321
I couldnt make the tunes out from 2 miles away, otherwise I may have been forced to cut some serious shapes!!! Big Fish, Little Fish, Cardboard Box!
Reply ID 11333
quote:Congratulations. Similar reason was possibly why we didn't even notice...though I can't imagine it was noisier than the maternity ward.
Originally posted by Dude
I brought my new born twin boys home from hospital on Saturday. Living a few hundred yards from the "Rave", you can imagine how badly they settled on their first night in Hertford. I complained to the police and then spent 2 hours pacing the babies up and down trying to calm them down, while the police acted at the speed of a snail. This town used to be brilliant. What went wrong?
Reply ID 11398
quote:You can dance as well as me then! [:D]
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
I couldnt make the tunes out from 2 miles away, otherwise I may have been forced to cut some serious shapes!!! Big Fish, Little Fish, Cardboard Box!
Reply ID 20674
This might be taken the wrong way by you lot but, does anyone know anyone that attended that Rave? The noise did p me off because its inconsiderate to people trying to sleep. I listen to quite a lot of that type of music and I was sat in my room, actually listening to some Trance (not that Hard stuff that was being played) and I had my headphones on when my mum came rushing in at about 1am going off on one at me as my music was keeping her awake.... my response was "what the ???? ?" I then opened my window and couldnt believe the noise! That DJ was very good though, he was playing some quality stuff :P But yes, very annoying for people trying to sleep :( If anyone has any info on anyone that attended the "rave" plz let me know, I dont know of anyone in the Hertford area that likes Hard Trance etc, I thought I was a one-off! :(
Reply ID 20723
was anything done about this?