Topic ID 1893
Anyone else heard this?the man who owns it intends to keep the one going at pinehurst but is going to close the one in town next month
Reply ID 24020
Not heard this [?] Does Tony Fagg still run them out of interest?
Reply ID 24021
really ?! - it is the worst Macdonalds ive ever had the misfortune to go into
Reply ID 24023
Thank god for that! I have eaten in McDonalds all over the world and can say that Hertford is the worst at servicing customers. There is never ever a normal burger or Mcmuffin available. Bring back Fine Fare - the service in there was quicker!
Reply ID 24025
My worst experience in there was being given an empty bag, folded and closed, as they had forgotten to put the meal into it!
Reply ID 24026
Heard this one this afternoon. Staff already around town asking about jobs. Didn't want to be the one to mention it. Already appear to be a harbinger of doom. There is more out there. Really. It is a franchise (and I believe Tony has another two) and can't help noticing lately that there has been a large fall in custom. No idea why it is closing. Perhaps the lease/rent is up for review. Rents are being increased all over town and the long term traders are beginning to buckle under this pressure. I know of a few places where rents have gone up astronomically after the current leaseholder has declined the increase and left. It will be a great loss in the middle of town. Where will I go for my happy meal now? And who can take it on. It is large premises and a prime A1 site or alongside an A3 a la Caffe Nero; so Costa Coffee perhaps.
Reply ID 24027
I hear Tony is keeping the other two. I'm afraid its another sign of the dying trade in the town, particularly the lunch time trade. Dare I say it...it would make a great pub!
Reply ID 24028
its a big site could be used for a tesco/sainsbury metro size store?
Reply ID 24029
This is a tragedy! Now where will we go to the loo when caught-short?? [:o)]
Reply ID 24030
quote:In the service yard opposite the Stone house like the rest of us!!!! [:D]
Originally posted by ~Sarah~
This is a tragedy! Now where will we go to the loo when caught-short?? [:o)]
Reply ID 24054
quote:So You only use the loo and then, when challenged by the staff, claim to have eaten a meal there? This is called a Big Cra*p and Lies Sorry - off Topic??
Originally posted by ~Sarah~
This is a tragedy! Now where will we go to the loo when caught-short?? [:o)]
Reply ID 24060
quote:Obviously you've not been to the one on Edinburgh Way in Harlow then - wipe your feet on your way out and if the floors full use the bin....
really ?! - it is the worst Macdonalds ive ever had the misfortune to go into
Reply ID 24062
Oh dear! What a shame. Where will all the chavs go now
Reply ID 24068
I think this is more of a symptom of the problems McDonalds seem to be having, the one in St. Albans has closed down as well.
Reply ID 24072
quote:Back to Kevenage.
Originally posted by buzz
Oh dear! What a shame. Where will all the chavs go now
Reply ID 24080
great news, this can only be a good thing.
Reply ID 24081
quote:Did you mean St.Evenage?
Originally posted by Victor Meldrewquote:Back to Kevenage.
Originally posted by buzz
Oh dear! What a shame. Where will all the chavs go now
Reply ID 24083
Perhaps we'll get a Burger King instead...
Reply ID 24084
quote:No more Tesco's pleeease. Perhaps an art gallery with nice funky chilled vibes pumping out and serving top notch food and drink at reasonable prices. ummm
Originally posted by tsr
its a big site could be used for a tesco/sainsbury metro size store?
Reply ID 24086
quote:Reasonable prices won't pay the huge rent or the huge rates. What Hertford residents want and what distant greedy landlords want are at opposte poles.
Originally posted by Sargassoquote:No more Tesco's pleeease. Perhaps an art gallery with nice funky chilled vibes pumping out and serving top notch food and drink at reasonable prices. ummm
Originally posted by tsr
its a big site could be used for a tesco/sainsbury metro size store?
Reply ID 24099
i think it would be really nice to get something new there. if it ends up being a good something that is! dont think we need a tesco metro or anything like that tesco is too near the town and there is m and s for that. i actually think something like a burger king there would be quite good. not that i would prob eat there anyway but thats just me
Reply ID 24105
I'm torn on this one. On the one hand great to see a MacDonald’s close as I loathe them. On the other hand it is yet another big gap in the town centre and will add to the impression of a town in decline. I notice Sloop suggests that more closures in the town centre are in the pipeline and I just hope that there are other businesses willing to try their luck. Several times posters have mentioned high rents as being a deterrent to setting up in Hertford, if many premises are becoming empty shouldn't the famed "market forces" push them lower? Or am I being naive and simplistic here?
Reply ID 24106
I would like to see a kitchenware shop as we are lacking one.
Reply ID 24109
quote:Seconded!
Originally posted by Avery
I would like to see a kitchenware shop as we are lacking one.
Reply ID 24112
quote:I seem to remember one in Bircherley Green but it closed (obviously!).
Originally posted by Avery
I would like to see a kitchenware shop as we are lacking one.
Reply ID 24114
quote:I think another may be about to open
Originally posted by Scouterquote:I seem to remember one in Bircherley Green but it closed (obviously!).
Originally posted by Avery
I would like to see a kitchenware shop as we are lacking one.
Reply ID 24115
quote:Higher rents make it harder for independent traders. Established chains achieve economies of scale in most departments that allow them to pay higher rents. They also tend to have the financial resources be able to support new outlets during their start up period.
Originally posted by Andrew
I'm torn on this one. On the one hand great to see a MacDonald’s close as I loathe them. On the other hand it is yet another big gap in the town centre and will add to the impression of a town in decline. I notice Sloop suggests that more closures in the town centre are in the pipeline and I just hope that there are other businesses willing to try their luck. Several times posters have mentioned high rents as being a deterrent to setting up in Hertford, if many premises are becoming empty shouldn't the famed "market forces" push them lower? Or am I being naive and simplistic here?
Reply ID 24117
Please, not Burger King!!!! Microwaved luke warm burgers and the worst service of any fast food joint! KFC I could live with, but lets be honest, if Macs can't make it work, any other fast food chain will not bother.
Reply ID 24120
Steve, do you know ware?
Reply ID 24121
quote:Macs is a franchise. I expect the success is as dependant upon the skills of the franchisee as much as the product.
Originally posted by Dude
Please, not Burger King!!!! Microwaved luke warm burgers and the worst service of any fast food joint! KFC I could live with, but lets be honest, if Macs can't make it work, any other fast food chain will not bother.
Reply ID 24124
quote:Bircherley Green! (Assuming you're not asking if I'm familiar with a neighbouring town) [:D]
Originally posted by Avery
Steve, do you know ware?
Reply ID 24128
Sorry ment where... [;)]
Reply ID 24130
quote:Not all Macs are franchises, although Hertford is. But most of Macs success is down to the product, not the owner. The problem is, there is little you can do to push a local Macs franchise, as the marketing is central. Hertford is owned by Tony Fagg, who is one of the more successful and profitable managers Macs has on its franchise books. If he couldn't make it work, I doubt many others could. The branch in the town centre has always struggled. It simply doesn't get the throughput it needs on a rent as big as it is. There is virtually no breakfast trade to be had, and it has a wealth of competition.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Macs is a franchise. I expect the success is as dependant upon the skills of the franchisee as much as the product.
Originally posted by Dude
Please, not Burger King!!!! Microwaved luke warm burgers and the worst service of any fast food joint! KFC I could live with, but lets be honest, if Macs can't make it work, any other fast food chain will not bother.
Reply ID 24146
heard it is going to be hsbc bank moving in.
Reply ID 24149
quote:Really? Would make sense I suppose. Who's going into the old HSBC building then tsr?
Originally posted by tsr
heard it is going to be hsbc bank moving in.
Reply ID 24150
I heard the rumour about HSBC as well. But this store is huge - imagine it without seating, serving hatch and kitchens and then the first floor. If anything banks are downsizing; which is why Barclays paid so much money to move into Market Street. Unless they are relocating the whole of their Eastern Region office here not much chance. There is also the problem of planning permission to change use to a A2 - professional sefvices in the middle of a prime red lined area dedicated to retail which East Herts Council are committed to protect in their Local Plan. I was discussing this in Caffe Nero the other day ........
Reply ID 24165
Cannot see any possible advantage to HSBC moving there - besides, their more traditional current premises it what I consider a bank should look like! Also, as they never seem to have more than one on the counters anyway [:(!] I can't see why they would need something bigger!
Reply ID 24198
A wagamama there would be lovely :o)
Reply ID 24206
It's big enough for a chain store to move in to it, hopefully something not already existing in independent form in the town. HMV/Virgin etc? Or a massive butchers! Once can dream.
Reply ID 24209
If we had an HMV/Virgin it would be in direct competition with Woolworths. Not that Woolworths have the range of products that either HMV or Virgin do. But with Internet shopping even these stores are not doing as well.
Reply ID 24212
quote:Could be a bit like a 'covered market' type thing. Butchers, Bakers, Fishmonger, Grocer,etc. sharing the premisis.
Originally posted by Mr P
It's big enough for a chain store to move in to it, hopefully something not already existing in independent form in the town. HMV/Virgin etc? Or a massive butchers! Once can dream.
Reply ID 24216
quote:Now you're talking! Fit a couple of small eateries in there too. An extension of the saturday market but open every day
Originally posted by Tigger Could be a bit like a 'covered market' type thing. Butchers, Bakers, Fishmonger, Grocer,etc. sharing the premisis.
Reply ID 24217
Didn't there used to be something like this in the past? Around the Corn Exchange/Barclays area?[?]
Reply ID 24218
quote:That would make "Evron Place" finally worthy of the association with Evron [:)]
Originally posted by Sargassoquote:Now you're talking! Fit a couple of small eateries in there too. An extension of the saturday market but open every day
Originally posted by Tigger Could be a bit like a 'covered market' type thing. Butchers, Bakers, Fishmonger, Grocer,etc. sharing the premisis.
Reply ID 24219
quote:Bravo, one of the best suggestions here. Perhaps the shared premises would lower the overall barrier to entry posed by the high rent.
Could be a bit like a 'covered market' type thing. Butchers, Bakers, Fishmonger, Grocer,etc. sharing the premisis.
Reply ID 24220
quote:Yes. And I'm sure Steve will have photos posted within the next few minutes[:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
Didn't there used to be something like this in the past? Around the Corn Exchange/Barclays area?[?]
Reply ID 24221
quote:Agreed. But there must be a reason why the original covered market failed. Presumably the competition from the normal Saturday market killed it? Still, it would be great if we could get our lost food retailers back and under one roof. I bet the food hygiene people would make it difficult though.
Originally posted by Avaricequote:Bravo, one of the best suggestions here. Perhaps the shared premises would lower the overall barrier to entry posed by the high rent.
Could be a bit like a 'covered market' type thing. Butchers, Bakers, Fishmonger, Grocer,etc. sharing the premisis.
Reply ID 24222
quote:I could be wrong here but I think it was more a case of the owner of the premises/land wanting to realise the asset or build something that was going to make a bit more money.
Originally posted by 2929paul
Agreed. But there must be a reason why the original covered market failed. Presumably the competition from the normal Saturday market killed it?
Reply ID 24239
quote:Best suggestion I have heard in ages!! Any butchers, bakers, grocers (Mr Wentworth, take note!) or fishmongers, please club together and give us a local 'fresh' shop. Make it unique.
Originally posted by Tiggerquote:Could be a bit like a 'covered market' type thing. Butchers, Bakers, Fishmonger, Grocer,etc. sharing the premisis.
Originally posted by Mr P
It's big enough for a chain store to move in to it, hopefully something not already existing in independent form in the town. HMV/Virgin etc? Or a massive butchers! Once can dream.
Reply ID 24283
There is something very similar to this in Marylebone. Not sure if it's all one store, but they have an amasing fromagerie, butchers and Deli all on the same street in adjoining properties. Maybe Farrow & Farrow can expand their empire in conjunction with Claydons (fish) and a quality butcher and other speciality offerings
Reply ID 24296
All the fresh food under one roof would be good, as long as it’s local and good prices. Better than one of the supermarkets. I try to get as much as possible form the Saturday Market but to have something open all week, I wouldn’t mind if it didn’t open on a Sunday either.
Reply ID 24300
quote:Also, Hertford was a very different place at the time - when on earth was it closed?
Originally posted by Stevequote:I could be wrong here but I think it was more a case of the owner of the premises/land wanting to realise the asset or build something that was going to make a bit more money.
Originally posted by 2929paul
Agreed. But there must be a reason why the original covered market failed. Presumably the competition from the normal Saturday market killed it?
Reply ID 24304
quote:About 25 years ago
Originally posted by Tigger
Also, Hertford was a very different place at the time - when on earth was it closed?
Reply ID 24305
quote:Oh Eek - show's my age (something I was told about by my Parents?) Umfortunately not true - oh well, better face up to it then [:(]
Originally posted by Stevequote:About 25 years ago
Originally posted by Tigger
Also, Hertford was a very different place at the time - when on earth was it closed?
Reply ID 24343
Admittedly a food market would be nice, but lets be realistic - less than 200yds away we had both a fishmongers and a butchers opposite each other, established businesses that couldn't survive anymore and now both memories. I'm not sure that a covered market would be any more viable in these supermarket convenience times. I think Sloop has it right in the Mercury article where he says the premises would suit a Next or River Island and personally I would have no problem with that.
Reply ID 24347
Maybe Wetherspoons should buy the place?
Reply ID 24349
quote:I don't think Claydons, (the fishmongers) closed because they couldn't survive". I think I read in the Mercury, that after God knows how many years of getting up at unearthly hours they decided to slow down a bit. Also, I think the Leaseholder had different plans for the premises at the time. Claydon's still have a stall in the Saturday market[:)]
Originally posted by Leo Densian
Admittedly a food market would be nice, but lets be realistic - less than 200yds away we had both a fishmongers and a butchers opposite each other, established businesses that couldn't survive anymore and now both memories. I'm not sure that a covered market would be any more viable in these supermarket convenience times. I think Sloop has it right in the Mercury article where he says the premises would suit a Next or River Island and personally I would have no problem with that.
Reply ID 24415
I noticed that they were shut today due to "unforseen circumstances" - although the sign in the window did say that they hoped to be open tomorrow
Reply ID 24432
oh heaven! this is the greatest news I have heard in a long while. Do you think they would allow general members of public in to trash the place before they board it up? if so where do I buy the ticket, i'll pay extra to be the first! [}:)]
Reply ID 24466
OK, so nobody likes McDonalds or wants to admit that they use the place, or so it seems. Let's not lose sight of the fact that, so far, we have no real idea at all as to what the place is likely to become - if indeed it actually does become anything other than another boarded up, empty retail outlet. At that end of Maidenheead Street we have already lost the Spanish property place, the computer games shop and Slades. Lose another retail outlet and how attractive is the street going to be to new tenants? How long will it be before we see other casualties? I only hope that the place isn't left empty for months upon end.
Reply ID 24497
I can tell you now that I have not been to a mc donalds in at least 10 years infact probably longer. I have never been in mc donalds in Hertford, so I am not sorry to see it go. Mc donalds is the only shop in the town I could honestly say I would rather see boarded up. They serve no service to the community whatsoever. The food is very un healthy and would do the local kids a favour by going. I am not a parent but if I was I would be happy for this nuisence to be removed, if it is not there it will stop kids from asking to go there and give the parents a chance to offer their kids a more healthy option. Rant over with [}:)] p.s. if you don't believe me try renting out a dvd called "supersize me", its a real eye opener!
Reply ID 24500
I like MacDonalds! The food is not that unhealthy. Its simply about moderation. Its just as healthy/unhealthy as chocolate, but I don't hear people cheer when a newsagents closes. Macs suffers for being the market leader. Parents always have had the option of something else. Its not Macs fault people choose to shop with them. Its junk food, not drugs. They are a big employer too!
Reply ID 24504
WHAT... you actually like the food in there?
Reply ID 24505
quote:Yep! Some of it is too salty, but a few items are lovely! [:)] It doesn't become number one in its sector for selling stuff that doesn't taste nice!
Originally posted by Avery
WHAT... you actually like the food in there?
Reply ID 24513
I don’t eat at McDonalds – I just don’t like the burgers. If I *had* to eat this sort of fast food it would be KFC then Burger King. I would rather have it here than have it empty though. Re: Supersize. All he did for an extended period was eat Burgers and Chips and felt unwell and unhealthy. Not much of a revelation really is it? This does not necessarily mean McDonalds is unhealthy. Moderation is the word – essentially all McDonald’s serve is meat and potatoes. You could be extremely healthy and still eat McDonalds. In my opinion McDonalds is an unfortunate victim of people wanting to blame someone else for their own weaknesses – if you are unhealthy it’s not their fault it’s yours.
Reply ID 24514
Very true. They don’t hold a gun to your head and make you eat their products. But all the same I would not eat it.
Reply ID 24528
Everything in moderation, as Dude rightly said. Lets face it, you do go to Muckdonalds for a burger (if you go at all) and not the trays of salad they are trying to flog in the name of healthy eating.
Reply ID 24531
Ironically, the salads are one of the unhealthiest things they sell! Can't beat a big breakfast on a Saturday morning.
Reply ID 24539
quote:Not offle, soya, sugar and salt (and a lot of it by the way) then? [^]
Originally posted by Avarice
This does not necessarily mean McDonalds is unhealthy. Moderation is the word – essentially all McDonald’s serve is meat and potatoes.
Reply ID 24548
Aren't Mac's burgers supposed to be 100% beef (by beef I think that can be any edible substance of bovine origin but no Soya)
Reply ID 24549
Check out the book "Fast Food Nation" by Paul Schlosser (I think the surname is spelt correctly). It gives an interesting and readable insight into the development of fast food in the USA and across the world. I realise that the cattle ranches are not applicable to the UK (so not Hertford and probably off topic), but interesting all the same. Especially if you want to read about the girl who died after eating a Wendy's burger!
Reply ID 24550
Yes we do have a choice but were adults.....I think we are being a bit naieve here if we think kids say to their friends "oh I believe it is not good to have a mac donalds everyday, lets go grab a healthy option". I agree that supersize me was a bit extreme, but thats not to say it is a real problem in the US where kids eat mc donalds 2 to 3 times a day and are addicted to it like tobacco. Eating junk food constantly is very unhealthy and can affect kids schooling, the point was the way it made him feel the groggyness and not being able to think straight. The kids become overweight and this generally stays with them into adulthood where by pressure is put on the hospitals. This is going to happen in the UK if nothing is done about. I don't want to be forking out extra cash for our already failing NHS system to pay for unhealthy/poor diet people to have heart treament. One less Mc Donalds is no problem in my eyes!
Reply ID 24552
I don’t have children but I can’t help feeling the parents are somewhat more to blame for the kids eating habits than say the restaurant chain (in this case McDonalds). Since, I’m assuming, children’s disposable income is actually their parent’s income and then they should surely have a vested interest in to how it’s spent. Plus, educating children can easily be done at home from simply getting children to help cook from an early age they can appreciate a balanced, healthy and quality meal. It astounds me when people say “I can’t cook” when recipes are ultimately just following a simple set of instructions. All the arguments applied to McDonalds could easily be applied to say alcohol and gambling. Yet more and more pubs / bars open and probably a soon-to-be super casino (both of which I personally also don’t have a problem with). I think McDonalds is just an unfortunate scapegoat – it has closed in Hertford as it popularity and profits have waned and, to be frank, it has become a bit ‘trendy’ to not like McDonalds. However, if people have a problem with over indulgence of any sort it is not the fault of the supplier. Most people are over weight because they eat more calories than they need or use. Should our taxes be spent equally on people who knowingly are putting themselves at risk and are more likely cost more for the NHS to care for? I don’t know. A similar argument exists today for obese woman and IVF on the NHS, the chances of them conceiving is lower and funds are limited should they still get the NHS treatment as oppose to people who have more chance of conceiving? This isn’t a specific Hertford issue but an example. If McDonalds was closing and something new and exciting was moving in to replace it then wonderful. However, it’s a large space and I read that Hertford is expensive for businesses. I just don’t want it boarded up and empty as that part of town already does have a slightly ‘down market’ feel about and a shop pasted with fly posters just isn’t ideal even it meant the closure of a shop that people don’t like. One less McDonalds, Uglys, >insert shop you don't like here< is one less shop that may well be boarded up and not used and that, for me, is a problem.
Reply ID 24554
quote:As you have admitted, you don't have children - so please be careful of making such simplistic statements. You can get a child to help make a meal for sure, but getting them to eat it is another matter entirely!
Originally posted by Avarice
Plus, educating children can easily be done at home from simply getting children to help cook from an early age they can appreciate a balanced, healthy and quality meal
Reply ID 24555
Apologies, indeed I don’t have children and the statement I made was certainly not meant to be a panacea to all the problems associated with bringing up children. There is plenty of research to suggest that taking this approach does have beneficial results on getting people to cook in later in life and actually think about doing so in a healthy manner. I appreciate that in practice it could certainly be more difficult with varying results. That was my point. Although me not having children should not mean I have to “be careful” on commenting on them. Does having children imbue you with more validity to your statements? If I don’t have a 4x4/Jeep can I still say they are impractical in towns? I don’t have a head ache but I have heard that taking Aspirin can help. A simplistic statement but one, that despite me not being a sufferer of headaches, is backed up by lots of research. [:)] Ultimately my overall point was that I think there are lots of better ways to getting healthier adults and children than closing fast food restaurants.
Reply ID 24562
Two all brocolli pattys, lettuce, onions, bran and brussel sprouts on a sunflower seed, toasted wild rice cake. Doesn't quite work, does it? Mac's is fast food and heathy eating doesn't really come in to it. What puzzles me is, beef tastes of something (beef hopefully), so why if you order a Big Mac without the burgers (a veggie ex-girlfriend would do just that) does it taste exactly the same? The burgers on their own (she'd donate them to me) taste like wet tissue paper. All the character of a big mac is in the multicoloured alien mucus and sliced green slug which inevitably oozes into your lap as you try to stop the soggy bread from disintegrating in your hands.
Reply ID 24564
quote:I'll let others be the judge Avarice! I would however argue that having children gives you a more balanced outlook on the realities of life rather than accepting 'research' at face value. As the father of a very difficult boy to feed (who would eat nuggets every day if it was on offer), it is annoying to read statements such as "educating children can easily be done at home" which come across as very glib. If only it were so.
Originally posted by Avarice
Does having children imbue you with more validity to your statements?
Reply ID 24566
Children or no children. Like McD's or loathe them. Ultimately its an empty shop in a town - hopefully it won't stay empty for long.
Reply ID 24567
quote:I think being a parent gives you a better idea of how to be a parent, nothing more and nothing less! I think we know that McDonalds and other pre-prepared foods tend to contain monosodiumglutumate (spelling?!?) which makes the food "tasty" which is why it's "addictive" or appealing to children and adults alike. I know what rubbish goes in the hash browns but still like them! Wouldn't buy a burger, as like turkey twizzlers, the meat is "recovered". Anyway, let's hope another shop opens soon. That end of Maidenhead Street is starting to look rather quiet.
Originally posted by Leo Densian I would however argue that having children gives you a more balanced outlook on the realities of life rather than accepting 'research' at face value.
Reply ID 24594
quote:So by you own definition, do you think all pubs should shut as well?
Originally posted by Nicky
I don't want to be forking out extra cash for our already failing NHS system to pay for unhealthy/poor diet people to have heart treament. One less Mc Donalds is no problem in my eyes!
Reply ID 24596
I certainly do not think that Nicky would agree with closing all the pubs as she keeps most of the pubs in Hertford in business. [:D]
Reply ID 24598
quote:Left fork into offtopicshire
Originally posted by Dudequote:So by you own definition, do you think all pubs should shut as well?
Originally posted by Nicky
I don't want to be forking out extra cash for our already failing NHS system to pay for unhealthy/poor diet people to have heart treament. One less Mc Donalds is no problem in my eyes!
Reply ID 24614
It's actually a good point..........in which case maybe Mc Donalds should only be available to those over 18yrs of age and the cartons should all bear a governmental health warning. And Tulip not all the pubs, just the Tavern and the White Horse [;)]
Reply ID 24646
perhaps this should be under bar and pubs, But macs dons would make an excellant pub (location)perhaps wetherspoons, toilet problem solved.
Reply ID 24676
wouldn't really fit in with their usual purchase of historic buildings though
Reply ID 24678
How old is the building? I remember Finefair's being there but I am not sure if it is the same building I have not taken that much notice of it since it has been Mc Donalds (suprise). I agree that it would make a good Weatherspoons, and they don't always use old buildings.
Reply ID 24685
Thinking about it, it has all of the features needed in a top quality, town centre, chav bar - furniture that is bolted to the floor (Thus preventing it's use as missiles) The tables and chairs are all in a nice, easy to wipe down plastic finish and the tiled floor would be a doddle to hose down. They could even keep the milk shake machines - just tip a couple of bottles of vodka in the mix and sell it as vodka shots. Gawd almighty - I actually think I'd rather see it boarded up and empty
Reply ID 24694
It would make a good clothing store, Next often have 2 floors one for ladies and one for mens! or the Burton Group could do one of their all in stores Burtons, Evans, Dorethy Perkins....etc I cannot remember all their brand names but I know they do sometimes open larger stores with them all together and that would work nicely! [:D] Now all we have to do is get them interested......probably difficult I would guess! [xx(]
Reply ID 24718
Oh not another pub for Mercy's sake! There's enough pubs and bars in town without a 'Kiddie Starter Pub'opening up. Before the MacDonalds days, it was Fine Fare and the premises also included what is now Boots Opticians. Perhaps it would be financially more manageable (for prospective retailers) to divide the building into 2 or 3 smaller units selling things that are needed - clothing for people over the age of 25 and under 60, likewise shoes, rather than shops selling everything you never knew you didn't need at prices you really know you can't afford. It's a rock and a hard place - do we want a bland, featurless high street with the usual selection of Next/River Island/ TKMaxx etc so we end up as a smaller satellite of Stevenage or worse - 'Arlow, or would it be better to have a bit of individuality? I have to agree with Devereaux - the thought of Wetherspoons would make me want to see the building boarded up too.
Reply ID 24738
quote:Split into 2, it would simple make more empty units in that side of town. We can't fill the ones we've got, let alone new ones. I'm with Nicky and a weatherspoons on this one. It will turn the biggest empty building in the main shopping area into a successful business. Its still hard to get a seat on a Friday/Saturday night in the town. I just hope it doesn't become a Peacocks or Wilkinsons. Then we know the town is officially dying...[xx(]
Originally posted by Fish Wife
Oh not another pub for Mercy's sake! There's enough pubs and bars in town without a 'Kiddie Starter Pub'opening up. Before the MacDonalds days, it was Fine Fare and the premises also included what is now Boots Opticians. Perhaps it would be financially more manageable (for prospective retailers) to divide the building into 2 or 3 smaller units selling things that are needed - clothing for people over the age of 25 and under 60, likewise shoes, rather than shops selling everything you never knew you didn't need at prices you really know you can't afford. It's a rock and a hard place - do we want a bland, featurless high street with the usual selection of Next/River Island/ TKMaxx etc so we end up as a smaller satellite of Stevenage or worse - 'Arlow, or would it be better to have a bit of individuality? I have to agree with Devereaux - the thought of Wetherspoons would make me want to see the building boarded up too.
Reply ID 24743
quote:A rock and a hard place indeed. The notion of individuality is nice, but the reality (in my family anyway) is that if you want to do a 'big shop' you go to Stevenage or down to Brookfield Farm. Hopefully theres a place in Hertford for larger chains and smaller independents, where the smaller retailers benefit from the increased customer traffic the chain might attract. I still think a Next would do well in the ex-McDonalds.
Originally posted by Fish Wife It's a rock and a hard place - do we want a bland, featurless high street with the usual selection of Next/River Island/ TKMaxx etc so we end up as a smaller satellite of Stevenage or worse - 'Arlow, or would it be better to have a bit of individuality?
Reply ID 24753
It is almost common knowledge now that HSBC will be moving in so all the optimistic thoughts about chain stores are just pie in the sky. There is still the possibility that it might get thrown out by District on planning consent as it will require change of use from A1/A3 to A2 but as we all drink in Caffe Nero why worry about that one. As for Witherspoons there is a planning application underway to extend the building at the rear and build on top - so a much larger type bar for the town. The planning application reads 'tradional ales/wine and food'.
Reply ID 24759
quote:Why should that be the case, if two national retailers wanted to move to Hertford that should be applauded. The two names mentioned may be "down market" but I have bought more in their stores than in any of the "up market" clothing and gift stores that seem to be the alternative in small towns like Hertford.
Originally posted by Dude
[quote][i]I just hope it doesn't become a Peacocks or Wilkinsons. Then we know the town is officially dying...[xx(]
Reply ID 24760
quote:Do you mean the building at the rear of Macs?
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
It is almost common knowledge now that HSBC will be moving in so all the optimistic thoughts about chain stores are just pie in the sky. There is still the possibility that it might get thrown out by District on planning consent as it will require change of use from A1/A3 to A2 but as we all drink in Caffe Nero why worry about that one. As for Witherspoons there is a planning application underway to extend the building at the rear and build on top - so a much larger type bar for the town. The planning application reads 'tradional ales/wine and food'.
Reply ID 24769
quote:What I mean is, demographically, they move into ailing towns. When they turn up, it a clear indicator of the local retailing trend. In the case of Peacocks, they actively look for towns where chain competition not longer bothers with, due to declining sales.
Originally posted by Andrewquote:Why should that be the case, if two national retailers wanted to move to Hertford that should be applauded. The two names mentioned may be "down market" but I have bought more in their stores than in any of the "up market" clothing and gift stores that seem to be the alternative in small towns like Hertford.
Originally posted by Dude
[quote][i]I just hope it doesn't become a Peacocks or Wilkinsons. Then we know the town is officially dying...[xx(]
Reply ID 24788
quote:Sloop. I may be wrong but I think you may find that moving from A3 to A2 doesn't require planning permission. A2 - A3 does require permission due to the nature of the change of use ie; financial services/bank to cafe/restaurant/hot food outlet. Berb.
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
It is almost common knowledge now that HSBC will be moving in so all the optimistic thoughts about chain stores are just pie in the sky. There is still the possibility that it might get thrown out by District on planning consent as it will require change of use from A1/A3 to A2 but as we all drink in Caffe Nero why worry about that one. As for Witherspoons there is a planning application underway to extend the building at the rear and build on top - so a much larger type bar for the town. The planning application reads 'tradional ales/wine and food'.
Reply ID 24829
It all goes back to the East Herts Local plan. All of Maidenhead Street is coloured red ie prime retail and not for turning. I most probably confused everybody in that Macs premises is most probably A1 as it sells by retail ie takeaway. The Local Plan seeks to maintain the traditional shopping feel. Caffe Nero is A1/A3 as it sells by retail as well as being a eating/drinking in establishment. It was the scale of the switch to A3 use that was contested as they claimd that the selling of takeaway coffee meant that they had a heavy reliance on A1 use. Not trying to split hairs Berbatov; just interested as to seeing which way planning application will go. It was interesting to read Cllr Alexanders letter in the Mercury regarding how and why so many planning applications are and can be decided by a Planning Officer without having to come before a committee. If Macs was a complete A3 then A2 use might easily be authorised but the existence of takeaway gives it a A1 use as well. It knocks a great hole in the retail feel of Maidenhead Street; another bank where once was a shop. The intresting discussion going on now is what will happen to the old HSBC building. It is not obviously a retail shop window, listed i think anyway - and a few years back would have made a very nice bar/bistro with upstairs eatery with flats above. Not that I would advocate that move either but if one of the larger financial institutions finds it too expensive then why would a competitor/estate agent etc feel they could make a go of it; unlike the old Barclays building which was converted to Baroosh without externally making much difference.
Reply ID 24851
quote:I do worry about it and I do not drink in Cafe Nero! and I don't think I am the only one!
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
It is almost common knowledge now that HSBC will be moving in so all the optimistic thoughts about chain stores are just pie in the sky. There is still the possibility that it might get thrown out by District on planning consent as it will require change of use from A1/A3 to A2 but as we all drink in Caffe Nero why worry about that one.
Reply ID 24933
quote:Do you not shop in Tescos Either - didn't they use money to get planning consent for the Hertford Store when the local planning authorities threw it out?
Originally posted by Nicky
I do worry about it and I do not drink in Cafe Nero! and I don't think I am the only one!
Reply ID 24968
I have shopped in Tesco's and still do occasionally.........but if I can avoid it I do. As a matter of fact I try to get my groceries from the following places:- Hertford Market - Fruit&Veg, Fish, Eggs Co-op - Bread, Milk Farrow&Farrow or Waitrose - Cheese, the more uncommon fruit and veg, condiments, cakes and puddings. Oddbins or the Wine Club - well obvious! [:D] and once a week to get those bits you really cannot get from anywhere other than a supermaket: Morrisons (Welwyn Garden City). Tesco is on the bottom of my list and I only go there if I really have no other option.
Reply ID 24969
quote:Hi Sloop. I asked a ex-planner today and he confirmed that the step down in use class from A3 to A2 will not constitute a planning application. He believes it to be a restaurant as opposed to a takeaway due to the number of tables located within the building. Even if it currently falls into the new A5 category, no application would be needed. Berbatov.
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
It all goes back to the East Herts Local plan. All of Maidenhead Street is coloured red ie prime retail and not for turning. I most probably confused everybody in that Macs premises is most probably A1 as it sells by retail ie takeaway. The Local Plan seeks to maintain the traditional shopping feel. Caffe Nero is A1/A3 as it sells by retail as well as being a eating/drinking in establishment. It was the scale of the switch to A3 use that was contested as they claimd that the selling of takeaway coffee meant that they had a heavy reliance on A1 use. Not trying to split hairs Berbatov; just interested as to seeing which way planning application will go. It was interesting to read Cllr Alexanders letter in the Mercury regarding how and why so many planning applications are and can be decided by a Planning Officer without having to come before a committee. If Macs was a complete A3 then A2 use might easily be authorised but the existence of takeaway gives it a A1 use as well. It knocks a great hole in the retail feel of Maidenhead Street; another bank where once was a shop. The intresting discussion going on now is what will happen to the old HSBC building. It is not obviously a retail shop window, listed i think anyway - and a few years back would have made a very nice bar/bistro with upstairs eatery with flats above. Not that I would advocate that move either but if one of the larger financial institutions finds it too expensive then why would a competitor/estate agent etc feel they could make a go of it; unlike the old Barclays building which was converted to Baroosh without externally making much difference.
Reply ID 25041
They should turn it into a shop that sells Spanish properties. Not buildings, I mean things like olive skin, propensity for pronouncing 'C's as 'Th's, long snoozy lunchbreaks, that kinda stuff. If only Slade's had seen this market opportunity we might be able to walk up Maidenhead St and buy some figurines & paella outside of being badgered by some synthetically enthusiastic hobbledehoy in a luminous face/vest trying to get me to 'sponsor a granny'.
Reply ID 25377
quote:Just out of interest, what can you get at Morrisons that you can't get at Waitrose or tesco?
Originally posted by Nicky
I have shopped in Tesco's and still do occasionally.........but if I can avoid it I do. As a matter of fact I try to get my groceries from the following places:- Hertford Market - Fruit&Veg, Fish, Eggs Co-op - Bread, Milk Farrow&Farrow or Waitrose - Cheese, the more uncommon fruit and veg, condiments, cakes and puddings. Oddbins or the Wine Club - well obvious! [:D] and once a week to get those bits you really cannot get from anywhere other than a supermaket: Morrisons (Welwyn Garden City). Tesco is on the bottom of my list and I only go there if I really have no other option.
Reply ID 25381
quote:Morrisons stores tend to have something called "Market Street" which tries to recreate the different stalls such as fish counter, meat counter, pie counter, pizza, cakes, cheese, etc. I think I counted up to 7 separate counter in one shop up north but can't remember what they are where now!! And it was for work, not some shop-spotter!!
Originally posted by Dude Just out of interest, what can you get at Morrisons that you can't get at Waitrose or tesco?
Reply ID 25473
I walked past this morning on the way to the office. The place looks terrible with those huge green security boards in place and that end of Maidenhead Street is starting to look very sad and run down. I just hope that HSBC don't take their time getting the place refurbished before moving in
Reply ID 25474
I understand why it's been done but boarding up the building like that just turns it into an eyesore. Are they allowed to do this in a conservation area?
Reply ID 25478
quote:I know the counters you mean. I just haven't seen anything for sale that I couldn'get at another supermarket.
Originally posted by SMTquote:Morrisons stores tend to have something called "Market Street" which tries to recreate the different stalls such as fish counter, meat counter, pie counter, pizza, cakes, cheese, etc. I think I counted up to 7 separate counter in one shop up north but can't remember what they are where now!! And it was for work, not some shop-spotter!!
Originally posted by Dude Just out of interest, what can you get at Morrisons that you can't get at Waitrose or tesco?
Reply ID 25486
quote:Thats not the point, I just don't like Tesco's or the monopoly they seem to have in the town so I don't shop there if I can help it. As far as waitrose go I just cannot afford to do a full shop in there I only wish I could! I go to Waitrose on a Saturday and pick up some nice bits and pieces, then go to Morrisons for toiletteries and cleaning stuff etc.... and the prices are better than Tesco or Waitrose. Also my other half fills his car up whilst we are there because the petrol is cheaper than anywhere in Hertford.
Just out of interest, what can you get at Morrisons that you can't get at Waitrose or tesco?
Reply ID 25492
Please focus on topic
Reply ID 25507
Just answering the question.........sorry didn't want to appear rude!
Reply ID 25528
Hertford town Muccy D closing wooo hoooo! [:D] [:D] [:D] If HSBC do decide to take it on then their current place would make a great bar and eaterie, as hertford really needs another one of those! Maybe Starbucks will move in and convert the building without planning consent ala Cafe Nero![V]
Reply ID 25656
Im hoping it will be a decent record shop like hmv or virign as hertford has not got one of them! We have woolys but they dont have much cd choice and the same with whsmiths!
Reply ID 25667
Nandos would be good. Proper fast food.
Reply ID 25671
taco bell...
Reply ID 25716
I think that HSBC moving to that site is a waste of a prime building. I know people have moaned using the same argument against Caffe Nero, but we already have an adequate HSBC in Fore Street so the net result will still be an empty shop. I think the current HSBC site is less suitable as a large shop (the sort that might bring people into the town) than the McDonalds site.
Reply ID 25719
Jez it is not what you want or need that counts but what you get. HSBC are hoping to move for the same reason that Barclays did. They inhabit a large building that costs a fortune in rates. Going from five floors to two is saving loadsamoney. The decision is purely commmercial - as was Macs for leaving - falling customers, rising overheads. It begs the question as to the inequality of the rates system. One retailer in Fore Street mays more for less space because they are within the red parts (prime retail) of the Local Plan other than someone a few yards away in blue. Something I also didn't know is that more rates are paid on large frontages (take Jade for example) than narrow shops. And even if you only sell from the ground floor you are liable for rates on the whole building or on all the parts that you own. In an ideal world you could create the right conditions to have a balanced town centre but the only people who can afford the rents/rates is coffee bars which leaves the HSBC building open to coversion into flats - thereby hastening the decline of the town centre but in line with government polcy - and the ground floor level into well, I have no idea.