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Topic ID 2901
29/06/2007 by Ewoowar
Parking fines are revenue - it's official(?).
According to the report into installing pay on exit systems in Hertford's car parks, motorists would be expected to cover the cost of installation – estimated to be £815,600 for the three car parks – and the predicted reduced income from fines.
Reduced income? How can the fines be seen as income? Are the council forecasting income from parking fines and starting to depend upon it?
What would happen if no fines were imposed? Would the council have to cut services elsewhere to make up for the lost revenue stream?
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Reply ID 42238
29/06/2007 by codek2
wow. Clearly installing parking machines is the market to be in if you want to be a millionaire in a year!
Reply ID 42239
29/06/2007 by Drama Queen
I am confused now. I was reliably informed in our local paper that from the Council itself that paying the salaries of Traffic Wardens and all the admin with the parking fines/reimbursements was meaning the Council were allegedly losing money with the scheme! This is why pay on exit was always the preferred choice of parking scheme! It saved the council money to run!!!! Oh, looks like the Council have opened up a can of worms here now.. Light touch paper stand well back.. Steve in Admin, am I right, there was information regarding the additional costs of employing Traffic Wardens and the administration of the fine scheme?
Reply ID 42240
29/06/2007 by sloopjohnb
I think I am correct but income from fines for non display of tickets/overstaying/abuse of bay is part of the council revenue and goes in the general pot. Income from fines generated from on-street parking has to be re-invested in transport schemes - not necessarily in car parks. In London they built a bridge and it pays a contribution towards concessionary fare structure. By income I mean profit, something that hasn't been reached yet.
Reply ID 42241
29/06/2007 by jez_p
Yes but the council replaced all the parking machines very recently - where did the money for that come from? and why didn't they install pay on exit then?
Surely the a pay on exit scheme would be less costly to operate as it wouldn't require 3 full time Parking Attendants on Site for each car park.
(or at least that is my perception of the number of staff employed)
Reply ID 42242
29/06/2007 by Ewoowar
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Originally posted by jez_p
Yes but the council replaced all the parking machines very recently - where did the money for that come from? and why didn't they install pay on exit then?
Surely the a pay on exit scheme would be less costly to operate as it wouldn't require 3 full time Parking Attendants on Site for each car park.
(or at least that is my perception of the number of staff employed)
The parking attendants might be cost neutral or even a profit line if they issue enough fines.
Reply ID 42243
29/06/2007 by azzza
What about the big picture here?. The Council, have become short-term game players without vision or foresight. If pay on exit was introduced, it would attract more people to the town, thus increase the foot-fall. Increased foot-fall=prosperity, which in-turn would entice more retailers to the town = more business rates for the council ..... simple isn't it?
Reply ID 42244
29/06/2007 by shunt
It seems reasonable for those who illegally park to finance the cost of attendants and those who use car parks to finance their upkeep and modernisation, rather than expecting those who park legally to finance those who don't, or those who walk into town to finance those who drive.
Reply ID 42248
29/06/2007 by dutch knight
Can anyone remember why these car parks became pay and display in the first place.Pay on exit used to be in place at the car parks in Hertford and as far as I know this system worked
Reply ID 42249
29/06/2007 by shunt
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Originally posted by dutch knight
Can anyone remember why these car parks became pay and display in the first place.Pay on exit used to be in place at the car parks in Hertford and as far as I know this system worked
The old system worked so well because it was manned. The new system replaced those jobs.
Reply ID 42252
29/06/2007 by Marilyn
With the old system of the pay on exit with the man in his box there would have been no need for the wardens to patrol and no chance of fines for overstaying your ticket...........
Reply ID 42257
29/06/2007 by Ray_by_the_Beane
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Originally posted by Marilyn
With the old system of the pay on exit with the man in his box there would have been no need for the wardens to patrol and no chance of fines for overstaying your ticket...........
... and a certain degree of deterrence to misbehaving ne'er-do-wells.
Reply ID 42285
01/07/2007 by Mr P
Or residents & visitors to Hertford are seen as a method of gleaning money for the Council's coffers and nothing else.
Yes! Indeedy! Stuff tourism! Down with creating a nice place to visit where you don't have to set an alarm to remind you to run back to the car! Boo-Hiss to encouraging people of/near Hertford to shop in Hertford instead of driving elsewhere with easier parking! Ya-Boo-Sucks to the commerical viability of the town and hooray for funding the lavish £100k+ tribunal/internal investigation/other debacle they didn't manage to keep secret last year. Are they trying to make up for the appalling mis-spending on that fiasco?
People of Hertford, I ask you: do the Council seem a tad short-sighted to you too?
Reply ID 42289
02/07/2007 by Steve
quote:
Originally posted by Mr P
Or residents & visitors to Hertford are seen as a method of gleaning money for the Council's coffers and nothing else.
Yes! Indeedy! Stuff tourism! Down with creating a nice place to visit where you don't have to set an alarm to remind you to run back to the car! Boo-Hiss to encouraging people of/near Hertford to shop in Hertford instead of driving elsewhere with easier parking! Ya-Boo-Sucks to the commerical viability of the town and hooray for funding the lavish £100k+ tribunal/internal investigation/other debacle they didn't manage to keep secret last year. Are they trying to make up for the appalling mis-spending on that fiasco?
People of Hertford, I ask you: do the Council seem a tad short-sighted to you too?
And people still voted for them in the election just a few weeks ago!
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