Topic ID 3061
After months of moaning about the abysmal downhill slide of the Hertford Tesco I decided to take some action. As from the beginning of this week, I have not set-foot in the Hertford Tesco. I have purchased most of the Chez-Azzza food and household goods from either Waitrose, M&S, Farrow & Farrow and the Hertford Market. It is a liberating experience I can tell you. Long gone are those annoying feelings of no corriander, mouldy avocados and ignorant check-out kids.... I just hope the powers-that-be read these forums, as I can feel the tide turning. To be fair though, there is one product that I will still be buying from the store, and that's toilet paper, which I feel is very appropriate.
Reply ID 44102
Given your repeated emphasis on fresh coriander, I often check when I visit Tesco and it's always there. The last time I checked was Sunday afternoon.
Reply ID 44104
One might say that such fancy foods are hardly tesco's target market. Sounds like waitrose/m&s/farrow and farrow are more up your street anyway. Certainly one cannot compare waitrose to tesco i dont think, they aim at different things.
Reply ID 44107
quote:I'm not after caviar and Dom Pom 1973 ... all I want is well stocked shelves, fresh produce and to be treated like a human being. Steve, you must be a lucky man RE: the Corriander,... they must see me coming and whip them off the shelves tout suite.
Originally posted by codek2
One might say that such fancy foods are hardly tesco's target market. Sounds like waitrose/m&s/farrow and farrow are more up your street anyway. Certainly one cannot compare waitrose to tesco i dont think, they aim at different things.
Reply ID 44136
quote:I think you are spot on. I have stopped using Tesco's and using the fish stall, butchers in Sele Farm and Mum and Dad's vegetable patch was raided whilst I was Dogsitting!!! Smashing tomatoes (or is that pumpkins) pops.
Originally posted by azzzaquote:I'm not after caviar and Dom Pom 1973 ... all I want is well stocked shelves, fresh produce and to be treated like a human being. Steve, you must be a lucky man RE: the Corriander,... they must see me coming and whip them off the shelves tout suite.
Originally posted by codek2
One might say that such fancy foods are hardly tesco's target market. Sounds like waitrose/m&s/farrow and farrow are more up your street anyway. Certainly one cannot compare waitrose to tesco i dont think, they aim at different things.
Reply ID 44139
Good plan azzza, for no other reason than your own stress levels. However, fresh coriander is just the kind of product which exists, in a commercial sense, only because of companies like Tesco. Your local shop never had it because it's difficult to pack, transport and bought in small quantities. Thus one needs vast customer numbers to make it profitable. The old style grocer would keep it dried and the fresh version would come only from your own herb garden, if at all. It would have been descibed as an "exotic" amongst other foodstuffs.
Reply ID 44143
quote:I admire your stand - but how much has the shopping bill increased by?
Originally posted by azzza
I have purchased most of the Chez-Azzza food and household goods from either Waitrose, M&S, Farrow & Farrow and the Hertford Market.
Reply ID 44146
quote:If azzza's experiences echo my own, it will have gone down, significantly.[?]
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:I admire your stand - but how much has the shopping bill increased by?
Originally posted by azzza
I have purchased most of the Chez-Azzza food and household goods from either Waitrose, M&S, Farrow & Farrow and the Hertford Market.
Reply ID 44150
quote:
Originally posted by shuntquote:If azzza's experiences echo my own, it will have gone down, significantly.[?] We started using the veg market stall, and saved significantly. Sounds silly, I know, but 'benchmark' the price, say, of a cucumber or something else and compare it at the stall and elsewhere. With the advent of bar-coding, we've all become very lazy, price - wise, I think!
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:I admire your stand - but how much has the shopping bill increased by?
Originally posted by azzza
I have purchased most of the Chez-Azzza food and household goods from either Waitrose, M&S, Farrow & Farrow and the Hertford Market.
Reply ID 44152
The market will be cheaper for sure - but does it offset the obvious higher prices at M&S and others where azzza now shops? I'm not flying a flag for Tesco here by any means - just curious to know.
Reply ID 44155
quote:Quite right - but on the other hand, it's probably about being selective - if - and this is a big if - you have the time to do that. Also quality comes into play. I often mention that word in our shop, especially, for example, when we are supplying coloured pencils -much dearer than Smiths or Woolies million colour sets. The difference is in the quality of the product, although, at first glance, that is difficult to perceive.
Originally posted by Leo Densian
The market will be cheaper for sure - but does it offset the obvious higher prices at M&S and others where azzza now shops? I'm not flying a flag for Tesco here by any means - just curious to know.
Reply ID 44159
quote:Not only that but you can buy only what you need.
Originally posted by Artyquote:Quite right - but on the other hand, it's probably about being selective - if - and this is a big if - you have the time to do that. Also quality comes into play. I often mention that word in our shop, especially, for example, when we are supplying coloured pencils -much dearer than Smiths or Woolies million colour sets. The difference is in the quality of the product, although, at first glance, that is difficult to perceive.
Originally posted by Leo Densian
The market will be cheaper for sure - but does it offset the obvious higher prices at M&S and others where azzza now shops? I'm not flying a flag for Tesco here by any means - just curious to know.
Reply ID 44161
azzza, if you tend to use that much fresh coriander, why don't you grow it yourself. You can then be sure it is fresh and readily available. By the way, pots of growing herbs ARE available in Tesco, but not in Waitrose or M and S. I purchased one growing pot about 18 months ago and it is still going strong in a terracota pot outside the back door.
Reply ID 44165
Even better, buy some seeds and grow it from scratch. I have pots of coriander, basil, dill, chives, oregano and parsley happily growing all year round in my kitchen.
Reply ID 44166
Many of the Herbs that you use then that's it will grow in a pot in the Garden. I often buy reduced ones as an experiment with a good success rate, especially as I know nothing about gardening. Also the herb stall on the Market is good, although he never knows when he will next be there.
Reply ID 44175
The beauty of shopping in selective shops in the town is that you do not buy the little extra's that you see when wandering around Tesco's, thus saving money, I find when I 'town shop' I limit the amount I buy by the weight I can carry to the car, without cutting the circulation off on my fingers!
Reply ID 44202
Asda at Hatfield is the future. Massive savings. My bill was £88.00p for this month compared to £146.00p last month at Tesco. Same stuff, different label [:D]
Reply ID 44210
We stopped using Tesco's over 6 months ago and have not looked back! Not wanting to be over dramatic but the Hertford Tescos is a dismall place to shop for all the reasons stated in this thread.
Reply ID 44274
In another example of lame thinking, the country/continent signage has been removed from the wines section. Much as I'd like to complain about this, their new complaints system means you have to spend 10-15 minutes at customer services whilst they input all your details into their computer. I did mention it to the somewhat disinterested shelf-stacker, but he didn't know whay it had been done.
Reply ID 44278
quote:Still curious
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:I admire your stand - but how much has the shopping bill increased by?
Originally posted by azzza
I have purchased most of the Chez-Azzza food and household goods from either Waitrose, M&S, Farrow & Farrow and the Hertford Market.
Reply ID 44320
Leo .. indeed, the initial shopping bill has increased, but the quality of food has increased too and doesn't go mouldy after 24 hours... therefore, due to unwasted food, the long term bill has remained the same.
Reply ID 44325
We've now successfully purchased a basked on wheels and Mrs Hertfordian is lookingat where best to go and get her fruit and veg from on a weekly basis with the aforementioned. Apart from the greengrocery stall in Hertford, where else would people recommend in the vicinity? E.g. any greengrocer shops either in Hertford or (aherm) Ware or any other market stalls that she could try? Thanks in anticipation :-)
Reply ID 44329
quote:Waitrose or M&S are the only alternative to Market and Tesco with regard to Fruit n Veg.
Originally posted by hertfordian
We've now successfully purchased a basked on wheels and Mrs Hertfordian is lookingat where best to go and get her fruit and veg from on a weekly basis with the aforementioned. Apart from the greengrocery stall in Hertford, where else would people recommend in the vicinity? E.g. any greengrocer shops either in Hertford or (aherm) Ware or any other market stalls that she could try? Thanks in anticipation :-)
Reply ID 44331
quote:There is always Reg the Veg and his trailer on the road out of Bengeo towards Ware. Fresh and cheap. Not sure if he is there during the week but is definitely about on Saturdays and Sundays.
Originally posted by azzzaquote:Waitrose or M&S are the only alternative to Market and Tesco with regard to Fruit n Veg.
Originally posted by hertfordian
We've now successfully purchased a basked on wheels and Mrs Hertfordian is lookingat where best to go and get her fruit and veg from on a weekly basis with the aforementioned. Apart from the greengrocery stall in Hertford, where else would people recommend in the vicinity? E.g. any greengrocer shops either in Hertford or (aherm) Ware or any other market stalls that she could try? Thanks in anticipation :-)
Reply ID 44334
I keep intending to try that out! What's the veg like there - cheap? Organic? Friendly service?
Reply ID 44338
quote:Cheap - definitely. I can't ever recall spending more than £2.50 at Reg's (actually that's a lie, I once spent a fiver, but I had a rabbit off him that day). Organic - no idea, but would suspect not. Tends to be stuff in season (and therefore not a supermarket-style all-year-round constant selection), and most stuff does tend to be reasonably local (Reg will tell you where he got it from) and generally still has muck on it. Friendly service - definitely, although trying to understand a word Reg says is part of the fun.
Originally posted by SallyB
I keep intending to try that out! What's the veg like there - cheap? Organic? Friendly service?
Reply ID 44369
Lets all jump on the 'give Tesco abuse' bandwagon..... Hasn't the Hertford Tesco had a re-fit?
Reply ID 44373
I have started to use "Going Organic" a local veg delivery service that was recommended to me by someone else on this forum. I've been really pleased with them and no longer have to carry heavy bags of fruit and veg back from the market. The Natural Health shop is good for lots of things if you're avoiding Tesco - especially their refills on washing up liquid and fabric conditioner.
Reply ID 44499
Here's an interesting read from The Independent: [url="http://news.independent.co.uk/business/analysis_and_features/article2984745.ece"]The Big Question: Have supermarkets become just too powerful in Britain?[/url]
Reply ID 44500
quote:Why is everyone jumping on the bandwagon? A lot of people on this thread have expressed their legitimate dissatisfaction and voted with their feet by going elsewhere. Tesco's in Hertford is poor and they lazily carry on as there is no similar alternative in the vicinity. I won't go in to great detail as many of us have had bad experiences and described it.
Originally posted by simcut
Lets all jump on the 'give Tesco abuse' bandwagon..... Hasn't the Hertford Tesco had a re-fit?
Reply ID 44623
I was predicting the way the thread would pan out, thankfully not as bad as I first feared
Reply ID 44822
quote:Sorry, but I simply don't believe that. Tesco and Asda's prices are neck and neck in every food price review. Please tell us what you bought for that sort of price difference!?!?!?!
Originally posted by James007
Asda at Hatfield is the future. Massive savings. My bill was £88.00p for this month compared to £146.00p last month at Tesco. Same stuff, different label [:D]
Reply ID 44824
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44826
quote:Unlike a good proportion of the produce that it sells. Tesco and other companies like it are one of the main reason China now has over 2000 (and rising) coal powered power stations (which will be the major source of carbon emissions in the 21st century) to deal with the production of cheap goods for export.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44829
quote:Not only that, it is from Hertfordshire - they are based in Cheshunt.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44833
quote:They have two main office centres in Hertfordshire, Cheshunt and Welwyn Garden City. However the overwhelming majority of their employees are outside Hertfordshire. Infact a significant proportion are now overseas. Even the main I.T. capability is provided by their Hindustan Service centre. They are just another local employer and I doubt if they have any loyalty to either Cheshunt, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire or evn the UK.
Originally posted by xtra_xtraquote:Not only that, it is from Hertfordshire - they are based in Cheshunt.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44915
quote:I'm sorry, but that is utter cobblers.
Originally posted by azzzaquote:Unlike a good proportion of the produce that it sells. Tesco and other companies like it are one of the main reason China now has over 2000 (and rising) coal powered power stations (which will be the major source of carbon emissions in the 21st century) to deal with the production of cheap goods for export.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44916
quote:They should have loyalty to Cheshunt seeing as thats where Tesco started many moons ago!
Originally posted by Ewoowar They are just another local employer and I doubt if they have any loyalty to either Cheshunt, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire or evn the UK.
Reply ID 44917
quote:They are a global retailer. They have zero loyalty to anybody buth their shareholders.
Originally posted by simcutquote:They should have loyalty to Cheshunt seeing as thats where Tesco started many moons ago!
Originally posted by Ewoowar They are just another local employer and I doubt if they have any loyalty to either Cheshunt, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire or evn the UK.
Reply ID 44918
quote:I thought Jack Cohen started it as a one man business in the East End of London?
Originally posted by simcutquote:They should have loyalty to Cheshunt seeing as thats where Tesco started many moons ago!
Originally posted by Ewoowar They are just another local employer and I doubt if they have any loyalty to either Cheshunt, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire or evn the UK.
Reply ID 44928
quote:Substantiate your 'Cobblers' claim, and don't just repeat verbatum your Tesco PR propaganda (as you are obviously under their employ.)
Originally posted by simcutquote:I'm sorry, but that is utter cobblers.
Originally posted by azzzaquote:Unlike a good proportion of the produce that it sells. Tesco and other companies like it are one of the main reason China now has over 2000 (and rising) coal powered power stations (which will be the major source of carbon emissions in the 21st century) to deal with the production of cheap goods for export.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44929
quote:Yes.. get your facts right Simcut, Mr Cohen started as a market trader in the East End, when Cheshunt used to be just fields. He would turn in his grave if he knew the state of the Hertford Store in recent times.
Originally posted by simcutquote:They should have loyalty to Cheshunt seeing as thats where Tesco started many moons ago!
Originally posted by Ewoowar They are just another local employer and I doubt if they have any loyalty to either Cheshunt, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire or evn the UK.
Reply ID 44930
what is it with idiotic people that have nothing better to do than slag companies off who are doing well for themselves? I dont see a thread about how bad Sainsburys / Waitrose or Morrisons are, hmm I wonder why....maybe because Tesco are number one and people always want to slag off companies that do well for themselves.... If you dont like the said company go and shop elsewhere.
Reply ID 44931
quote:PR propaganda? oh please, are you serious? get a life. I'm not a Tesco employee. I just find this thread a tad bit amusing.
Originally posted by azzza Substantiate your 'Cobblers' claim, and don't just repeat verbatum your Tesco PR propaganda (as you are obviously under their employ.)
Reply ID 44932
quote:I read up that Tesco was started in Cheshunt, and then opened up their first store in East London.
Originally posted by azzza Yes.. get your facts right Simcut, Mr Cohen started as a market trader in the East End, when Cheshunt used to be just fields. He would turn in his grave if he knew the state of the Hertford Store in recent times.
Reply ID 44933
quote:ermm ... I have .. I've been Tesco-free for 1 month now.
Originally posted by simcut
what is it with idiotic people that have nothing better to do than slag companies off who are doing well for themselves? I dont see a thread about how bad Sainsburys / Waitrose or Morrisons are, hmm I wonder why....maybe because Tesco are number one and people always want to slag off companies that do well for themselves.... If you dont like the said company go and shop elsewhere.
Reply ID 44934
quote:I'm sure I remember you defending "our veg" recently in the face of mouldering accusations. When did you leave to set up a vigilante Tesco PR wing?
Originally posted by simcutquote:PR propaganda? oh please, are you serious? get a life. I'm not a Tesco employee. I just find this thread a tad bit amusing.
Originally posted by azzza Substantiate your 'Cobblers' claim, and don't just repeat verbatum your Tesco PR propaganda (as you are obviously under their employ.)
Reply ID 44936
Tesco suits my needs as I'm not a fussy eater, I just buy what's 'reduced for quick sale' as I watch the pennies. I can sympathise with the frustrations though of families who do meal-planning or those with special dietary requirements when the shelves are not stocked or if the fruit and veg is past its best. I enjoyed Tesco at its best earlier this year when they giving cashback greater than the value of the goods - essentially paying you to take free food from them. Sadly, that 'offer' has been withdrawn and I have to actually spend money in there these days :-) The Bengeo Co-op have done this too (offered me cashback for taking free 'yellow label' food) but I haven't seen either store do it for a few months.
Reply ID 44938
quote:If you go back to the beginning of this thread you will see that azzza's original comment was about HERTFORD Tesco, and azzza myself and others have pointed out how poor the Hertford store is for a number of reasons. It was not started as a general anti-Tesco thread so I don't know why you need to come out with all this pro-Tesco stuff. As for slagging off Sainsbury's and Morrisons, neither of these companies have outlets in HERTFORD (yet) so a thread slagging them off on a HERTFORD forum would be pointless. And the reason there is probably not a thread slagging off Waitrose in HERTFORD, is that it is far superior to the opposition in this town, i.e. Tesco! As for saying if we don't like the store then go somewhere else - we do!
Originally posted by simcut
what is it with idiotic people that have nothing better to do than slag companies off who are doing well for themselves? I dont see a thread about how bad Sainsburys / Waitrose or Morrisons are, hmm I wonder why....maybe because Tesco are number one and people always want to slag off companies that do well for themselves.... If you dont like the said company go and shop elsewhere.
Reply ID 44939
quote:Well said. The simple fact that Tesco sees itself as the only 'normal' supermarket in town means it's lazy – it doesn't feel threatened. It's that kind of a problem that people are complaining about. I personally can't stand the Hertford Tesco, partly because of the poor levels of service (and I used to work in a supermarket, I know how little effort you have to put in to get a good response from customers) and the stores availablity (although I'm tempted to forgive the store for that because I fully understand the complex issues of just-in-time distribution, lack of shelf and storage space along with a whole other multitude of factors that conspire to cause an empty shelf), but the one thing I can't forgive them for is its pricing and crock advertising campaigns. Tesco unlike say Asda price locally. So in Hertford for example, a pint of milk will cost more than a pint of milk from the Stevenage or Hatfield stores – why? Because, in Stevenage and Hatfield, Tesco has to compete on price with Asda. In Hertford, it only has to compete on price with M&S and Waitrose, the two supermarkets at the other end of the price scale from Asda. In Asda, and i'm pretty sure Morrisions too, they price nationally, so a pint of cost the same at John O'Groats as it does at Land's End and in Central London. Want an example? I ordered my shopping this week online but instead of just going straight to Asda's site as I normally would, I thought i'd do it through mysupermarket. By the end of the shop, what i'd could have bought from Asda cost £55, from Tesco £75, Sainsbury's £87 and Waitrose, £129. So much for Tesco's cheaper than Asda claims.
Originally posted by Aellequote:If you go back to the beginning of this thread you will see that azzza's original comment was about HERTFORD Tesco, and azzza myself and others have pointed out how poor the Hertford store is for a number of reasons. It was not started as a general anti-Tesco thread so I don't know why you need to come out with all this pro-Tesco stuff. As for slagging off Sainsbury's and Morrisons, neither of these companies have outlets in HERTFORD (yet) so a thread slagging them off on a HERTFORD forum would be pointless. And the reason there is probably not a thread slagging off Waitrose in HERTFORD, is that it is far superior to the opposition in this town, i.e. Tesco! As for saying if we don't like the store then go somewhere else - we do!
Originally posted by simcut
what is it with idiotic people that have nothing better to do than slag companies off who are doing well for themselves? I dont see a thread about how bad Sainsburys / Waitrose or Morrisons are, hmm I wonder why....maybe because Tesco are number one and people always want to slag off companies that do well for themselves.... If you dont like the said company go and shop elsewhere.
Reply ID 44943
quote:But you were in your post on this thread: http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2294 You said: "I am a tesco employee myself, sorry to hear that you havent had a good experience in there but I think its a bit off that you say Tesco dont care now that they have cornered the market. Thats very untrue. After all, I spend about 90% of my time in my job caring to make things better for customers as do the other 900 or so people where I work :) I dont want to go into too much detail about it but I work at the head office....I'll find out who you can speak to regarding the issues at Hertford which you had. " Why did you leave Tesco, simcut? You seemed quite passionate about your job not too long ago.
Originally posted by simcut PR propaganda? oh please, are you serious? get a life. I'm not a Tesco employee. I just find this thread a tad bit amusing.
Reply ID 44946
Yeah...shame on you simcut if you are being passionate about working at Tescos! Some of the people on this board would like you to be completely dispassionate and uncaring. It would be much easier if you were like all the workers in Hertford store! (Is this the right topic for sweeping statements as well?)
Reply ID 44949
quote:Who on earth said that?
Originally posted by nuts Some of the people on this board would like you to be completely dispassionate and uncaring.
Reply ID 44951
What I do find strange is how passionately some defend Tesco. It's just a retailer, not a religion.
Reply ID 44965
Why is it so hard to buy an unsliced loaf in Tesco? They seems to insist on slicing the vast majority of bread they bake.
Reply ID 44966
I get my bread elsewhere. Usually waitrose. I like to slice my own bread. Although sometimes I really shouldn't have a knife in my fair hand!!!!! The Hertford branch of tesco does not stock its own make of greek flavoured yoghurts and last week stopped its tins of ratatouille!!!! They are obviously not keen to sell their own makes of products but it really aggravates me. They are telling me what to purchase and that's not what a shop is there to do. I don't need 15 types of baked beans from Mexican to Organic! Note to Tesco Hertford. My mum couldn't get potatoes the other week and has made several verbal complaints at the time to staff and is met with indifference.. I vote with my feet![^]
Reply ID 44974
Quite right DQ. I'm surprised how many still shop at the Hertford Tesco. Just another little anecdote as to why I will never shop there: About three years ago, April/May time a friend of mine went to the store in search of spring onions. The appropriate department was strangely lacking in fruit and veg so she asked a member of staff: "Oh, they are not in season" came the somewhat laughable and bewildering reply. I rest my case.
Reply ID 44988
Nobody said it SallyB, but it just struck me that a lot of people are passionate about their job/career/area of business and against the backdrop of previous comments about disinterested staff it seemed odd that as soon as somebody showed some interest and passion for what they did (which it seemed people wanted the store staff to show) they were discounted from the conversation. Observation thats all! I don't have a view one way or another. The funniest comment I have read was the inference that Tesco is a significant contributor to Chinese power station construction! I think there are an awful lot of manufacturers/retailers globally that are taking advantage of China to reduce the gross prices to customers because thats what we all want, don't we??!!
Reply ID 44989
quote:I had to laugh out loud when I read that! [:D] So now you want to blame Tesco for the Chinese emissions, even though its the public wanting to buy all the cheap goods? Tesco should take the ethical stand rather than the individual or the government? Nasty evil Tesco! "They made me buy it!". And all the while, you swap your shopping habits to M&S, who shut down 99% of their UK production 4 years ago and sent it to Asia??? Kettle. Black.
Originally posted by azzzaquote:Unlike a good proportion of the produce that it sells. Tesco and other companies like it are one of the main reason China now has over 2000 (and rising) coal powered power stations (which will be the major source of carbon emissions in the 21st century) to deal with the production of cheap goods for export.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 44990
quote:Yeah, I think the first store was either Burnt Oak or Harold On The Hill.
Originally posted by Deverauxquote:I thought Jack Cohen started it as a one man business in the East End of London?
Originally posted by simcutquote:They should have loyalty to Cheshunt seeing as thats where Tesco started many moons ago!
Originally posted by Ewoowar They are just another local employer and I doubt if they have any loyalty to either Cheshunt, Welwyn Garden City, Hertfordshire or evn the UK.
Reply ID 44995
quote:We are the government as far as retail is concerned. It's individuals, choosing to act differently that makes a difference. We are responsible and that we consume in such quantity is all Tesco is interested in. Tesco is maniplative of our opinion, but not alone in that. What we are told about what we buy will vary, depending on what we ask, where we live and the government of the time. Hence the assumption that coal is naughty when compared to gas.
Originally posted by Dudequote:I had to laugh out loud when I read that! [:D] So now you want to blame Tesco for the Chinese emissions, even though its the public wanting to buy all the cheap goods? Tesco should take the ethical stand rather than the individual or the government? Nasty evil Tesco! "They made me buy it!". And all the while, you swap your shopping habits to M&S, who shut down 99% of their UK production 4 years ago and sent it to Asia??? Kettle. Black.
Originally posted by azzzaquote:Unlike a good proportion of the produce that it sells. Tesco and other companies like it are one of the main reason China now has over 2000 (and rising) coal powered power stations (which will be the major source of carbon emissions in the 21st century) to deal with the production of cheap goods for export.
Originally posted by Steve
For all their faults, at least Tesco are British
Reply ID 45005
quote:Jack Cohen started with market stalls in Brick Lane and Hackney, his first lock-up shop was in Burnt Oak and first self service store in St Albans. The start of the Cheshunt connection was the purchase of land and greenhouses there to grow fruit and veg. More at http://www.eastlondonhistory.com/tesco.htm
Originally posted by Dude Yeah, I think the first store was either Burnt Oak or Harold On The Hill.
Reply ID 45013
quote:Is it true that he named the store after his wife, Tesse Cohen, Hence TES-CO?
Originally posted by Stephenquote:Jack Cohen started with market stalls in Brick Lane and Hackney, his first lock-up shop was in Burnt Oak and first self service store in St Albans. The start of the Cheshunt connection was the purchase of land and greenhouses there to grow fruit and veg. More at http://www.eastlondonhistory.com/tesco.htm
Originally posted by Dude Yeah, I think the first store was either Burnt Oak or Harold On The Hill.
Reply ID 45014
quote:Nope - the brand was first used in 1924 when he bought some tea from a supplier called T E Stockwell and then made new labels for it by combining the TES with CO from his own name.
Originally posted by Dreamer Is it true that he named the store after his wife, Tesse Cohen, Hence TES-CO?
Reply ID 45029
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45030
quote:Hopefully by bulldozing the store.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45031
quote:Well there is enough space in the store, where the stock should be.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45032
quote:And replacing it with an Asda or Morrisons? If only...
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hopefully by bulldozing the store.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45033
quote:Asda? Go to Harlow or Hatfield. Morrisons? Just a sort drive to WGC. No. Don't replace it. Remove it.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:And replacing it with an Asda or Morrisons? If only...
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hopefully by bulldozing the store.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45034
Put the chapel back! [:D] [img]../images/Christs_Hospital_Chapel_478.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 45036
quote:I hadn't seen a recent image of it. [:(]
Originally posted by Steve
Put the chapel back! [:D] [img]../images/Christs_Hospital_Chapel_478.jpg[/img]
Reply ID 45037
quote:Alas, not all of us have cars [;)]
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Asda? Go to Harlow or Hatfield. Morrisons? Just a sort drive to WGC. No. Don't replace it. Remove it.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:And replacing it with an Asda or Morrisons? If only...
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hopefully by bulldozing the store.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45038
I had forgotten they had to knock down the chapel .... wow, from the angels haven, to the devils market place.
Reply ID 45039
quote:How many Hertford residents walk to to the Hertford Tesco and then walk home with a full grocery shop? Right. Even those who live in Hertford drive to the Tesco, so having cars or not has little to do with the overall impact of a supermarket. Granted, there are those without cars and their shopping habits are different but we have to be realistic and accept that most shoppers DO have cars.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:Alas, not all of us have cars [;)]
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Asda? Go to Harlow or Hatfield. Morrisons? Just a sort drive to WGC. No. Don't replace it. Remove it.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:And replacing it with an Asda or Morrisons? If only...
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hopefully by bulldozing the store.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45045
The picture of the chapel.. Is that what stood where the Hertford Tesco is now? It looks like it was a beautiful building. A real shame if that had to be knocked down to make way for a supermarket. In an ideal world they would be built on some scrub land somewhere. I do use the supermarket for convenience and that's about all. It is just too small a supermarket though for the amount of people that want to use it. I often go in to get ingredients and find they have run out of really standard produce so I never do a big shop in there anymore.
Reply ID 45046
quote:My main reason for not shopping at Tesco (but not the only reason) is that I can't walk to it easily. We may "have to accept that most shoppers do have cars", but we don't have to continue to encourage them to use them for short, wasteful journeys to the shop by allowing retailers to design and locate specifically for cars. There is only one way to change driving habits and that's to let it become too difficult to use them unecessarily. The impact of car use, connected with Tesco is extreme, throughout Hertford. I'm the ultimate petrol-head, but unless we want our toys taken away, we have learn to behave.
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:How many Hertford residents walk to to the Hertford Tesco and then walk home with a full grocery shop? Right. Even those who live in Hertford drive to the Tesco, so having cars or not has little to do with the overall impact of a supermarket. Granted, there are those without cars and their shopping habits are different but we have to be realistic and accept that most shoppers DO have cars.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:Alas, not all of us have cars [;)]
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Asda? Go to Harlow or Hatfield. Morrisons? Just a sort drive to WGC. No. Don't replace it. Remove it.
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:And replacing it with an Asda or Morrisons? If only...
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Hopefully by bulldozing the store.
Originally posted by James007
Apparently, now Tesco is going to increase the parking at the Hertford store.
Reply ID 45061
quote:I only shop at Tesco if I'm driving psat anyway (which is, incidentally, every day!) but if I'm at home and need something I will walk to the Co-op, even though I live on the other side of Bengeo. shunt, perhaps the Co-op are slyly encouraging Bengeo residents to walk there with their lack of parking spaces [:)] I often even drive past, park at home and walk back, rather than blocking the road. Which reminds me - I saw you in the Co-op last weekend, shunt. Sorry I was in a real hurry (driving too but got a place in the car park that time!) so didn't have time to say hello. Next time maybe!
Originally posted by shunt My main reason for not shopping at Tesco (but not the only reason) is that I can't walk to it easily. We may "have to accept that most shoppers do have cars", but we don't have to continue to encourage them to use them for short, wasteful journeys to the shop by allowing retailers to design and locate specifically for cars. There is only one way to change driving habits and that's to let it become too difficult to use them unecessarily. The impact of car use, connected with Tesco is extreme, throughout Hertford. I'm the ultimate petrol-head, but unless we want our toys taken away, we have learn to behave.
Reply ID 45096
For me it's about shopping habits. To fill a trolley with £150 worth of goods takes the same time as buying five items for one meal in Tesco. This encourages a weekly shop, use of the car to get it home, a requirement for a longer shelf life on food bought, a tendancy to overshop because of the difficulty in accurately calculating a weeks useage, and the temptation to impulse buy. I find shopping locally and daily, uses about 6-10 minutes per day and ensures fresher food, no waste, no car mileage, no fuel cost, no queuing at London Road and no stress. There are a few things which Tesco do very well and uniquely, but not enough to compensate for the rest of the experience.
Reply ID 45112
the reason why I said I wasnt an employee was because if I said I was again I would be treated with the "oh he's an employee he's just sticking up for the company". Whatever. This thread is highly irritating when people dont know what things are all about
Reply ID 45113
I think anything I would say would fall on deaf ears, judging by some of the people on this thread. I work for Tesco yes. If you dont like Tesco Hertford complain about it either in a letter to Customer Services or go in the store itself and make a complaint, alternatively shop elsewhere. I could go on for ages about the processes but I really do think some people will not bother to read it or take note of it. They already have their agenda. I'm not part of a "Tesco PR propaganda" - I'm just a normal employee. Not sure if I should even be posting here in the first place. But it irritates me when people make accusations and talk about something they have no clue about.
Reply ID 45115
quote:Customers eh? They've got no idea.
Originally posted by simcut
I think anything I would say would fall on deaf ears, judging by some of the people on this thread. I work for Tesco yes. If you dont like Tesco Hertford complain about it either in a letter to Customer Services or go in the store itself and make a complaint, alternatively shop elsewhere. I could go on for ages about the processes but I really do think some people will not bother to read it or take note of it. They already have their agenda. I'm not part of a "Tesco PR propaganda" - I'm just a normal employee. Not sure if I should even be posting here in the first place. But it irritates me when people make accusations and talk about something they have no clue about.
Reply ID 45117
quote:I worked for them for seven years so I think I can speak with a degree of insight and authority. In addition I keep in touch with my ex-colleagues who are still working for them, those who continue to give dedicated service to a company that treats them appalingly.
Originally posted by simcut
the reason why I said I wasnt an employee was because if I said I was again I would be treated with the "oh he's an employee he's just sticking up for the company". Whatever. This thread is highly irritating when people dont know what things are all about
Reply ID 45120
quote:If "Customer Services" were adequate, either in store, by telephone, or by email, there would plainly be no cause for further complaint or wish to abandon the store, as expressed by many here. Unfortunately, "Customer Services" only compound the poor impression which anyone approaching them already holds. Part of Tesco's problem is it's enormity. It looks very different from within the Tesco culture of it's admin (which even has it's own corporate vocabulary, used nowhere else in business) and from the perspective of the customer.
Originally posted by simcut
I think anything I would say would fall on deaf ears, judging by some of the people on this thread. I work for Tesco yes. If you dont like Tesco Hertford complain about it either in a letter to Customer Services or go in the store itself and make a complaint, alternatively shop elsewhere. I could go on for ages about the processes but I really do think some people will not bother to read it or take note of it. They already have their agenda. I'm not part of a "Tesco PR propaganda" - I'm just a normal employee. Not sure if I should even be posting here in the first place. But it irritates me when people make accusations and talk about something they have no clue about.
Reply ID 45121
To that extent Shunt, Tescos is no different to any other company in a major market sector. Enormity brings economies of scale and buying power that delivers cheaper, better products to the consumer (in theory). Unfortunately most major market sectors have half a dozen big organisations that still manage to return mega profits as well (...as reducing costs etc). Unfortunately nearly all of these are run by shareholders that normally tend to be our pension fund holders!!! So its a bit of a vicious circle, it gets you in the end!! But I agree, winners tend to be those that can communicate an effective culture (customer service, employee relations etc) to its consumers). Unfortunately there are less and less of these. Partly because I believe most of the people in middle to upper management in these sorts of organisations change jobs so often within it,nobody really has any long time responsibility or interest in some of these difficult areas. Quick, high impact, visible initiative....then off to another department or company!! How many of us have complained about our Bank but still not moved?? The long and short appears to be that whilst the majority appear to be indifferent to Tescos policies (bit like Government then!!) there is a growing element of disatisfied consumers, the large majority of which still frequent them in some form or another!! I suppose convenience and wallet are big drivers!!
Reply ID 45124
quote:Very well put. We rarely enter Hertford Tesco not for any anti Tesco reason but because we use their online site each month to bulk buy heavy/bulky storable goods and then use the the market/co-op/Waitrose etc for fruit/veg/bread/dairy products and anything with a short shelf life. Net result is that about 50% of the monthly spend goes to Tesco and 50% to the others, and we don't have to carry heavy shopping or endure the scrums in a big supermarket. The big shop from order to putting the delivery away takes up about 45 mins per month P.S My spellchecker suggested Tosco for Tesco about which I will make no comment
Originally posted by nuts
To that extent Shunt, Tescos is no different to any other company in a major market sector. Enormity brings economies of scale and buying power that delivers cheaper, better products to the consumer (in theory). Unfortunately most major market sectors have half a dozen big organisations that still manage to return mega profits as well (...as reducing costs etc). Unfortunately nearly all of these are run by shareholders that normally tend to be our pension fund holders!!! So its a bit of a vicious circle, it gets you in the end!! But I agree, winners tend to be those that can communicate an effective culture (customer service, employee relations etc) to its consumers). Unfortunately there are less and less of these. Partly because I believe most of the people in middle to upper management in these sorts of organisations change jobs so often within it,nobody really has any long time responsibility or interest in some of these difficult areas. Quick, high impact, visible initiative....then off to another department or company!! How many of us have complained about our Bank but still not moved?? The long and short appears to be that whilst the majority appear to be indifferent to Tescos policies (bit like Government then!!) there is a growing element of disatisfied consumers, the large majority of which still frequent them in some form or another!! I suppose convenience and wallet are big drivers!!
Reply ID 45138
I've just found £84 worth of Tesco's clubcard vouchers that have gone out of date. It's been so long since I've been to a Tesco. If I had found them sooner (4 months ago!) that WOULD have make me go there to spend some 'money'!
Reply ID 45149
I do get my Petrol at Tesco if passing - sorts out our annual RAC cover using the deals.
Reply ID 45166
quote:Thats not what I said, dont spin on what I had said mate. I didnt say all customers have no idea, not at all.
Originally posted by Steve Customers eh? They've got no idea.
Reply ID 45167
quote:Clubcard is just an information gathering excercise, matching what you buy to your name and address. It's a spy in your wallet. When my partner was on the management team of Tesco, she was dismayed to be asked by a junior member of IT if the DVD she'd bought at the weekend was any good.[:0]
Originally posted by Mr P
I've just found £84 worth of Tesco's clubcard vouchers that have gone out of date. It's been so long since I've been to a Tesco. If I had found them sooner (4 months ago!) that WOULD have make me go there to spend some 'money'!
Reply ID 45201
quote:Agreed. And more fool me for being happy to be paid for it in the form of vouchers...but it certainly makes a difference to the spread on offer at our christmas! I went to Tesco today to spend £12 of vouchers that wouldn't last till xmas. Tried brookfield farm because I was passing, drove in, saw the packed car park, had a mild sob at the terrors that would have lain within the store, fled back onto the A10 and drove to Hertford, saw with a heavy heart the packed car park, sobbed again but this time with laughter watching someone trying to get into a space, messed up parking my own car in the tiny space they give you, girded my loins and went into Tesco for the first time in ages. Thank gawd that's over.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Clubcard is just an information gathering excercise, matching what you buy to your name and address. It's a spy in your wallet. When my partner was on the management team of Tesco, she was dismayed to be asked by a junior member of IT if the DVD she'd bought at the weekend was any good.[:0]
Originally posted by Mr P
I've just found £84 worth of Tesco's clubcard vouchers that have gone out of date. It's been so long since I've been to a Tesco. If I had found them sooner (4 months ago!) that WOULD have make me go there to spend some 'money'!
Reply ID 45206
quote:Of course it is but if you can accept the fact it has its uses - no point redeeming vouchers on the shopping as they go nowhere, but redeem against the days out/restaurant vouchers etc. at 4 to 1 face value and its worthwhile. They paid for our £200 Eurotunnel crossing this year which certainly made the holiday more affordable. Looking for a Prague weekend break out of them too in the near future.
Originally posted by shunt Clubcard is just an information gathering excercise, matching what you buy to your name and address. It's a spy in your wallet.
Reply ID 45208
quote:Shunt, I agree with you, that's why I do not have store cards, they do not really give you free hoildays etc. you have paid for them over a period of time, sometimes paying over the odds for the food, the phrase 'quietly, quietly, catch the monkey'
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:Of course it is but if you can accept the fact it has its uses - no point redeeming vouchers on the shopping as they go nowhere, but redeem against the days out/restaurant vouchers etc. at 4 to 1 face value and its worthwhile. They paid for our £200 Eurotunnel crossing this year which certainly made the holiday more affordable. Looking for a Prague weekend break out of them too in the near future.
Originally posted by shunt Clubcard is just an information gathering excercise, matching what you buy to your name and address. It's a spy in your wallet.
Reply ID 45245
quote:You seemed to have missed the comments on page 4, only to have another swipe at Darth Tesco. Remind me....you have a problem with manufacturing going to china, but you have singled out M&S as a better place to shop..... hmm... Do you think that M&S use wind power in china then??? Do tell.
Originally posted by azzza
I had forgotten they had to knock down the chapel .... wow, from the angels haven, to the devils market place.
Reply ID 45251
quote:To be fair, Tesco did develope the site against the wishes of the vast majority of residents and local planning. When a big company uses political influence to overrule public consent, they ain't going to be popular.
Originally posted by Dudequote:You seemed to have missed the comments on page 4, only to have another swipe at Darth Tesco. Remind me....you have a problem with manufacturing going to china, but you have singled out M&S as a better place to shop..... hmm... Do you think that M&S use wind power in china then??? Do tell.
Originally posted by azzza
I had forgotten they had to knock down the chapel .... wow, from the angels haven, to the devils market place.
Reply ID 45607
quote:You just highlighted the usual lie! The vast majority were not against it. Only a tiny minority of the towns population petitioned or complained. The vast majority were silent because they either wanted it or didn't care either way. This also explains why its so damn popular. So many more people want it. Its so busy it can't cope. Its like saying the town residents want the Bengeo rat run sealed off. Its simply not true. The majority of complainers are a tiny miority of mostly local pavement parkers.
Originally posted by shuntquote:To be fair, Tesco did develope the site against the wishes of the vast majority of residents and local planning. When a big company uses political influence to overrule public consent, they ain't going to be popular.
Originally posted by Dudequote:You seemed to have missed the comments on page 4, only to have another swipe at Darth Tesco. Remind me....you have a problem with manufacturing going to china, but you have singled out M&S as a better place to shop..... hmm... Do you think that M&S use wind power in china then??? Do tell.
Originally posted by azzza
I had forgotten they had to knock down the chapel .... wow, from the angels haven, to the devils market place.
Reply ID 45612
quote:Perhaps an assumption based on an impression, rather than a lie, since at the time I struggled to find anyone in favour of the proposal, even if they were in favour of having a Tesco store. It was put through on a private member's bill, having been refused planning on appeal, hence it could be said that our elected local representatives were overruled. People do not tend to boycott a place they perceive to be cheap, no matter how they view the company's trading practices and the percentage who bother to write, petition and protest on any subject is always a very small proportion. Most would claim to be in favour of reducing carbon emmissions, but how many are actually prepared leave the car and walk? I agree with the Bengeo "rat run" comment, since the number of people that are interested is restricted by geographics. Even if every silent member of that community joined those who protest, they would still be outnumbered by the remainder of Hertford. However, you do not see hordes of people protesting in opposition.
quote:You just highlighted the usual lie! The vast majority were not against it. Only a tiny minority of the towns population petitioned or complained. The vast majority were silent because they either wanted it or didn't care either way. This also explains why its so damn popular. So many more people want it. Its so busy it can't cope. Its like saying the town residents want the Bengeo rat run sealed off. Its simply not true. The majority of complainers are a tiny miority of mostly local pavement parkers.
To be fair, Tesco did develope the site against the wishes of the vast majority of residents and local planning. When a big company uses political influence to overrule public consent, they ain't going to be popular.