Topic ID 4202
Do you all know about Green Drinks - monthly at the White Horse Castle Street? Environmental issues are discussed over a pint. Come and join us on Thursday March 19th !
Reply ID 60917
I can't think of anything worse personally.
Reply ID 60919
So what was discussed at the last meet then?
Reply ID 60920
quote:Crème de menthe
Originally posted by codek2
So what was discussed at the last meet then?
Reply ID 60928
If Ian Harvey knew the White Horse was being used for such nefarious, lefty purposes, I suspect he would be apoplectic...
Reply ID 60929
Now now be nice to the newboy please. Thanks for making us aware Harold, not sure there seems to be too many takers here so far...
Reply ID 60935
Unfortunately Harold, bringing up environmental issues on the Hertford Forum is a bit like trying to have a sensible discussion about global warming on an episode of 'Top Gear'. But don't despair! For every negative comment you receive there'll be an equal number of people who'll read yor post and be genuinely interested. How appropiate that you posted it in the 'About Hertford Online' section!
Reply ID 60937
I'm reminded of the comment in The Guardian's "Let's Move To" feature about Hertford: "The Mail is available by the shedload". The reaction of some to Harold's post suggests there may be some truth to it.
Reply ID 60938
I find some of these suggestions surprising - I always got the impression that middle class people ( of which hertford is no doubt in that area ) were one of the most keyed up groups of people when it comes to green issues. It doesnt help that the council is useless at recycling services though! For sure hertford has a thriving farmers market - and local food is about as green as it gets. (literally sometimes!)
Reply ID 60939
If your little group can unravel the green bunkum, I'm all for it. Under examination most green policies are exactly the opposite and driven by commercial lobbies (introduction of catalytic convertors, for example) seeking to exploit the Green Pound. The trouble is, too few question. Good luck to you Harold.
Reply ID 60940
quote:Why the bloody hell would anyone want to meet up with strangers in a pub to discuss this?
Originally posted by codek2
I find some of these suggestions surprising - I always got the impression that middle class people ( of which hertford is no doubt in that area ) were one of the most keyed up groups of people when it comes to green issues. It doesnt help that the council is useless at recycling services though! For sure hertford has a thriving farmers market - and local food is about as green as it gets. (literally sometimes!)
Reply ID 60941
I cannot think of anything more stereotyped than sitting in a real ale pub chewing a pint of "Old Malty" whilst mulling over the latest environmental issues. Please don't say you're all beardies with woolly jumpers. Even though I embraced a greener way of living just over 12 months ago and try to encourage others to follow suit, I don't think I'll be joining you. Although if you could just explain a bit about what you talk about and who you are, it might help give people a reason to join you. Do you exchange ideas about how to improve your working environments, or how to get the message across at home? Or petitioning the council? Or are you discussing how to get away with vandalising all the SUVs that take the kids to Duncombe School?
Reply ID 60944
I've just had a thought. have we all just been trolled? Doh! Good one though!
Reply ID 60946
Where else but on the Hertford Forum could inviting people out for a drink to discuss the environment be described as 'trolling'?!!!
Reply ID 60948
quote:I don't think it's trolling - I do think it's very sad though..
Originally posted by dennismoore
Where else but on the Hertford Forum could inviting people out for a drink to discuss the environment be described as 'trolling'?!!!
Reply ID 60957
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60961
quote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60963
quote:And in another thread you reckon the bloke at the railway station is rude? [V]
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils
Reply ID 60965
quote:Political correctness came to the fore in order to compensate for the loss of older values such as common courtesy and fair play in society. The extreme versions of it that you hear are pure inventions of right-wing press, designed to produce the reaction above.[V]. It's a phrase which describes kind and decent behaviour, nothing more.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60968
quote:Seconded.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60971
quote:What is your authority for this assertion?
Originally posted by shuntquote:Political correctness came to the fore in order to compensate for the loss of older values such as common courtesy and fair play in society. The extreme versions of it that you hear are pure inventions of right-wing press, designed to produce the reaction above.[V]. It's a phrase which describes kind and decent behaviour, nothing more.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60972
quote:Very well put Shunt. I too am fed up with the hysteria whipped up in the right-wing media about so called 'Political correctness' by those who seek to justify rudeness directed at minorities or those they disagree with. I was brought up to be courteous and polite in my dealings with other people. I admit to letting these values slip myself occasionlly, but to slag off a first time poster who's simply asking like minded people out for a drink, is to me arrogant and boorish behaviour. I suggest some of you go along to the White Horse on the 19th. You might just learn something.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Political correctness came to the fore in order to compensate for the loss of older values such as common courtesy and fair play in society. The extreme versions of it that you hear are pure inventions of right-wing press, designed to produce the reaction above.[V]. It's a phrase which describes kind and decent behaviour, nothing more.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60973
quote:You need authority to to consider any concept?
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:What is your authority for this assertion?
Originally posted by shuntquote:Political correctness came to the fore in order to compensate for the loss of older values such as common courtesy and fair play in society. The extreme versions of it that you hear are pure inventions of right-wing press, designed to produce the reaction above.[V]. It's a phrase which describes kind and decent behaviour, nothing more.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60974
quote:What is your authority for this assertion? Do you know his political views? Does he ban "lefties" from the pub, or just quietly rage whilst benefitting from their custom? What other topics of discussion might he get apoplectic about? Is being "Green" exclusively "Leftie"? Even The Daily Mail seem to be lending their name to the challenge of climate change ([url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/adfeatures/article-1151023/British-Gas.html"]Save Money, Look After Our World[/url])
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
If Ian Harvey knew the White Horse was being used for such nefarious, lefty purposes, I suspect he would be apoplectic...
Reply ID 60979
quote:Quite so Steve. I would also make the point that Harold, the starter of the thread, is prepared to stand up and be counted by clearly identifying himself through his user name - rather than hiding behind a pseudonym like stranded_in_slough or Leo Densian or whatever so good for him. [:)]
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60982
quote:Firstly, when you pontificate as often as you do, on as many different topics, whilst claiming to know the ins and outs of everything, yes, authority to support an assertion is welcome.
Originally posted by shuntquote:You need authority to to consider any concept?
Originally posted by exin_reiled_in_Readingquote:What is your authority for this assertion?
Originally posted by shuntquote:Political correctness came to the fore in order to compensate for the loss of older values such as common courtesy and fair play in society. The extreme versions of it that you hear are pure inventions of right-wing press, designed to produce the reaction above.[V]. It's a phrase which describes kind and decent behaviour, nothing more.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60987
quote:My company specialises in the application and legal consequences of what is often referred to as PC, but is actually just ethics, within the field of corporate governance and broader company structure. Research of social and political issues and trends, and the sources which drive them are my principle function within that company.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:Firstly, when you pontificate as often as you do, on as many different topics, whilst claiming to know the ins and outs of everything, yes, authority to support an assertion is welcome.
Originally posted by shuntquote:You need authority to to consider any concept?
Originally posted by exin_reiled_in_Readingquote:What is your authority for this assertion?
Originally posted by shuntquote:Political correctness came to the fore in order to compensate for the loss of older values such as common courtesy and fair play in society. The extreme versions of it that you hear are pure inventions of right-wing press, designed to produce the reaction above.[V]. It's a phrase which describes kind and decent behaviour, nothing more.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Readingquote:How do you know this? Do people email you and say "I was going to join but I decided not to because it seems that some people aren't braindead simpering yes men who adhere to the politically correct rubbish that is infiltrating the country, rather they are people that actually stand up and express their point of view, and this concerns me" ? It maybe that Harold is too busy struggling back from tescos on his bike loaded down with his lentils to reply to this thread but I think he is the only one that can say whether they feel "attacked" or not.
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 60989
That's odd- it wasn't long ago when a topic involved debate over unemployment in the UK that your company was heavily involved in recruitment and you spoke from an "informed" viewpoint on that too. I've no doubt next week, and in the coming weeks, it will be involved in something else too which is the subject of debate and comment, on which you will also opine and claim to have a highly informed viewpoint.
Reply ID 60991
quote:Indeed we are. Recruitment obviously falls within our remit and is part of what we do, though at a higher level than a recruitment agency operates.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
That's odd- it wasn't long ago when a topic involved debate over unemployment in the UK that your company was heavily involved in recruitment and you spoke from an "informed" viewpoint on that too. I've no doubt next week, and in the coming weeks, it will be involved in something else too which is the subject of debate and comment, on which you will also opine and claim to have a highly informed viewpoint.
Reply ID 61004
quote:Not a mix of Harold Lloyd and Charlie Chaplin then Leo? [;)]
Originally posted by Leo Densianquote:Quite so Steve. I would also make the point that Harold, the starter of the thread, is prepared to stand up and be counted by clearly identifying himself through his user name - rather than hiding behind a pseudonym like stranded_in_slough or Leo Densian or whatever so good for him. [:)]
Originally posted by Steve
I think it's very sad that some people can't show a bit more respect for other peoples' views. Here we have a new member who's perfectly legitimate thread is met with discourtesy, hostility and even aggression. Unfortunately this sort of response deters some people from joining the forum and posting for fear they might get attacked in a similar fashion.
Reply ID 61006
quote:Err..no [url]http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2871[/url]
Originally posted by James007 Not a mix of Harold Lloyd and Charlie Chaplin then Leo? [;)]
Reply ID 61007
quote:Err..no [url]http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.php?id=2871[/url]
Originally posted by James007 Not a mix of Harold Lloyd and Charlie Chaplin then Leo? [;)]
Reply ID 61008
Good luck to him I say and apologies for doubting you Leo.
Reply ID 61014
quote:You're right, it's not a left versus right thing. Although as has been clearly illustrated on this thread many 'conservatives' are still resistant to environmental issues. For years such things were the preserve of the liberal-left and it's never easy to admit that they were right and you were wrong. (Just as many on the left found it so hard to admit they were wrong about Soviet Russia during the last century). I hope Harold Chaplin wasn't put off by the rude and hostile responses to his initial post and will contribute to the forum again. In response to Leo's post, I'm happy to say that my real name is Andrew Ingamells!
Originally posted by Stevequote:What is your authority for this assertion? Do you know his political views? Does he ban "lefties" from the pub, or just quietly rage whilst benefitting from their custom? What other topics of discussion might he get apoplectic about? Is being "Green" exclusively "Leftie"? Even The Daily Mail seem to be lending their name to the challenge of climate change ([url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/adfeatures/article-1151023/British-Gas.html"]Save Money, Look After Our World[/url])
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
If Ian Harvey knew the White Horse was being used for such nefarious, lefty purposes, I suspect he would be apoplectic...
Reply ID 61015
In response to Leo's post, I'm happy to say that my real name is Andrew Ingamells! [:0][:0] Show us your etchings . [8D]
Reply ID 61016
Blimey! We've obviously met!
Reply ID 61036
quote:Interesting that someone would associate Green issues as 'Lefty'. Well, interesting but not surprising having read the whole thread.
Originally posted by exiled_in_Reading
If Ian Harvey knew the White Horse was being used for such nefarious, lefty purposes, I suspect he would be apoplectic...