Topic ID 451
Would I be alone in suspecting that East Herts District Council have finally succeeded in ensuring that Wetherspoons never open in the town? McMullens must be pleased. ... which is ironic given that the new library, paid for by McMullens, seems to be making a similar non-appearance.
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Why do you think that, Steve?
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My husband is as big a fan of McMullens as you seem to be Steve[^]
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I am also awaiting the apearance of a bridge between Woolpack and Bull Plain. And why does Ewoowar get 5 green stars and Steve stay on blue. Still convinced that Witherspoons looking to make a huge profit by seling a prime site. Or, missed the adverts on recruitment pages for hygeine operatives.
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quote:he is an advanced member.............wow. that must take some going the number of posts you have. im jeLOUS, do u work? do you work?
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
I am also awaiting the apearance of a bridge between Woolpack and Bull Plain. And why does Ewoowar get 5 green stars and Steve stay on blue. Still convinced that Witherspoons looking to make a huge profit by seling a prime site. Or, missed the adverts on recruitment pages for hygeine operatives.
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Ok! I want 5 stars! I've been on here for ages! Shall I start a post conversation with myself!?! [:D]
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I think Steve was a lighter shade of blue than the rest. But he's turned yellow in the past few days.
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quote:Of course I work! I'm working today as well. Working damned hard.......want to save up enough money to go to The Hillside one day! [:D]
Originally posted by justinquote:he is an advanced member.............wow. that must take some going the number of posts you have. im jeLOUS, do u work? do you work?
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
I am also awaiting the apearance of a bridge between Woolpack and Bull Plain. And why does Ewoowar get 5 green stars and Steve stay on blue. Still convinced that Witherspoons looking to make a huge profit by seling a prime site. Or, missed the adverts on recruitment pages for hygeine operatives.
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quote:Steve......have you got any information to back up your suspicions?
Originally posted by Steve
Would I be alone in suspecting that East Herts District Council have finally succeeded in ensuring that Wetherspoons never open in the town? McMullens must be pleased. ... which is ironic given that the new library, paid for by McMullens, seems to be making a similar non-appearance.
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My suspicion is based purely on circumstantial evidence. Wetherspoons have been trying to establish themselves in the town for many years, yet a combination of the District Council and McMullens have tried hard to prevent it so it would seem. Wetherspoons were interested in the old Barclays Bank building, so McMullens bought it and opened Baroosh, a new departure for McMullens as in the past they'd operated rather tradition and conservative drinkiing establishments. Since then Wetherspoons have tried to open at the old Working Men's Club, but a rather eccentric condition applied by EHDC, ie that they should run the public toilets for generations to come, seems to have caused delay after delay. On more than one occasion it's been reported that work would start imminently and on all these occasions nothing has happened.
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I thought that they wanted to move the toilets in order to accomodate their new establishment. EHDC were happy to oblige as long as they maintained the replacement lavatories. If Wetherspoons don't want to move the toilet they can go ahead and open the pub as it is, without boundary changes or moving the loos. Frankly, those toilets are disgusting. I should be surprised if anyone maintains at all currently.
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Who wants Wetherspoons anyway? I for one can do without their plastic interpretations of the English pub. Give me another Old X Tavern any day!!
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quote:I think the Wetherspoons pubs work in places such as London where the clientelle have fewer real pubs left. I think you would be hard pushed to find an OXT in most of the places Wetherspoons operate.
Originally posted by Mike
Who wants Wetherspoons anyway? I for one can do without their plastic interpretations of the English pub. Give me another Old X Tavern any day!!
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Well, I think their strategy is certainly to target city/town centre locations and to go for rather more substantial premises (ie lots of customers). It's a 'pile em high sell em cheap' approach to alcohol, though at least it's not with younger drinkers particularly in mind. I don't think Hertford needs any more places like that - however dressed up they are as 'traditional' drinking holes. What we need is a few smaller estabs offering real variety and - hopefully - real atmosphere, not just an array of "products" from the drinks industry. Here endeth the rant!
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quote:couldnt agree more. weatherspoons charge good prices, only cos they buy beer with a very short shelf life. and as they do the volume, its probably still ok.
Originally posted by Mike
Well, I think their strategy is certainly to target city/town centre locations and to go for rather more substantial premises (ie lots of customers). It's a 'pile em high sell em cheap' approach to alcohol, though at least it's not with younger drinkers particularly in mind. I don't think Hertford needs any more places like that - however dressed up they are as 'traditional' drinking holes. What we need is a few smaller estabs offering real variety and - hopefully - real atmosphere, not just an array of "products" from the drinks industry. Here endeth the rant!
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Whetherspoons have a section of the market that is not covered in Herford at all. Where in Hertford can you get a pint of (non-McMullens) bitter and a meal for a decent price; at relatively short notice; in a place that is large enough for a group of people to sit down, and in a prime location? It may not be "real ale", and the food may be a bit bog standard (chile, lasagne etc.) but there is nowhere else that does that combination. They have also announced they are switching to smoke free pubs, so that is the Salisbury out!
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I agree with you Spotty Dog, the non-smoking will be a real plus for Weatherspoons. I say this as an ex-smoker.... I cannot stand breathing in other peoples' smoke. [xx(]
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Spotty Dog wrote: "Where in Hertford can you get a pint of (non-McMullens) bitter and a meal for a decent price; at relatively short notice; in a place that is large enough for a group of people to sit down, and in a prime location?" Well - not many places admittedly Spotty Dog. So, fair point. And like you say, Wetherspoons have seen a gap in the market, so good luck to them. My point is simply that it would be much preferable in our character-ful little town to have a more character-ful alternative than what seems to me to be the pub world's answer to McDonalds.....! I don't mean to be esoteric or anything -- just want a place that's different from all the other places all over the country....
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Wetherspoons should be able to start a price war in Hertford,its happened in every other place they have set up so its got my vote!
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quote:but we do have a couple of places like you describe sir.
Originally posted by Mike
Spotty Dog wrote: "Where in Hertford can you get a pint of (non-McMullens) bitter and a meal for a decent price; at relatively short notice; in a place that is large enough for a group of people to sit down, and in a prime location?" Well - not many places admittedly Spotty Dog. So, fair point. And like you say, Wetherspoons have seen a gap in the market, so good luck to them. My point is simply that it would be much preferable in our character-ful little town to have a more character-ful alternative than what seems to me to be the pub world's answer to McDonalds.....! I don't mean to be esoteric or anything -- just want a place that's different from all the other places all over the country....
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quote:I think you are being a bit harsh on Wetherspoons - of the ones I have seen, they usually take the building architecture into account when renovating it - something that Pitcher and Piano chain for example fails to do. Whilst I agree with your sentiments that places of character would be more preferential, in my experience "character" in Hertford either means places that go silent when someone "new" walks in, or places where "characters" insist on standing by the bar, meaning you have to order drinks from 15 feet away.... I guess my view is that we need both, as long as there is a choice in bitter to drinking AK...... [xx(]
Originally posted by Mike
it would be much preferable in our character-ful little town to have a more character-ful alternative than what seems to me to be the pub world's answer to McDonalds
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Well I definitely agree with you on that last point Spotty Dog!
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Posted - 25 Jan 2005 : 10:19:50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- but we do have a couple of places like you describe sir. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --yeah I guess so Justin; but problem is, ONLY a couple (well, I can think of three really). Also, they don't seat that many people. And places like the OXT are great but so smoky because of their small size. What would be really good would be if places like that big pub on Mill Bridge were to put away the TV and the bouncers, start selling some really interesting beers and wines, and attract a more adult crowd. Too many places in Hertford cater for teenage lager/alcopop drinkers, with inevitable results......
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quote:yes , thats true
Originally posted by Mike
Posted - 25 Jan 2005 : 10:19:50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- but we do have a couple of places like you describe sir. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- --yeah I guess so Justin; but problem is, ONLY a couple (well, I can think of three really). Also, they don't seat that many people. And places like the OXT are great but so smoky because of their small size. What would be really good would be if places like that big pub on Mill Bridge were to put away the TV and the bouncers, start selling some really interesting beers and wines, and attract a more adult crowd. Too many places in Hertford cater for teenage lager/alcopop drinkers, with inevitable results......
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Market forces. I assume there is more money in attracting a more youthful clientelle who will drown themselves is hyper-chilled fizz.
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Who wants a Witherspoons? Not me. Cheap Beer brings Cheap People and Cheap people infrequently cause too much trouble. I say turn it into another expensive joint with good food and fine wines!![8]
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I would love the Witherspoons. I would give them my business just so I can get away from the smoke. The Salisbury, The Sportsman and Bar Humbug have become so smokey I've stopped going to them. Another reason for another pub....a seat on a Saturday night! Its proving more and more difficult!
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quote:Just been to a Wetherspoons in Highgate Village. Cheap drinks, yes but the clientelle was fine. Lots of families having something to eat, and well behaved groups of men and women having quiet drinks. I don't think that having a wetherspoons in Hertford will attract people that don't already drink in Hertford anyway.
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
Who wants a Witherspoons? Not me. Cheap Beer brings Cheap People and Cheap people infrequently cause too much trouble. I say turn it into another expensive joint with good food and fine wines!![8]
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Speaking as a 23 yr old I know that a few years ago when me and my friends were going out that Weatherspoons were often the most stringent on age verification, obviously due to being such a large chain they have to really. This point alone makes me welcome them into our town. Also as having quit smoking 3 days ago, for the forseeable future I will only be going to smoke free pubs etc... untill my willpower has somewhat strengthened! So Bring on the Weatherspoons!!!
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Good for you 01-mike!!!
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vic...come on you cant be serious
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glad that Vic can afford to drink & dine in such an establishment with his millions of spondoolies!! [;)][;)][:D]
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It depends where it is. For example, check out the Wetherspoons in Elephant & Castle,...but then check out Elephant & Castle... [}:)]
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I want the Weatherspoons to come, not least because it will mean that derelict building is revived once more. [:)]
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A lot of the Wetherspoons pubs in London have their own individual identity and character... i've been some horrednous ones, but i've been in some decent ones too. With all the new people continually moving into town, and the closure of pubs like The Dolphin and Thirsty Brandons, (and possibly The Sportsman, tho time will tell) it's becoming impossible to go out for a quiet drink on a Friday or Saturday night!! i'd welcome more pubs opening in Hertford no matter shape they might take!!
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Does anybody have any news on when and if this pub will ever open?
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quote:Old quiet drink pubs in Hertford. Saracens Head The Great Eastern The Ram The Salisbury The Bardge The White Horse The Black Horse The Woolpack The Old Cross Tavern The 2 Brewers The Millstream The Sele Arms The White Lion The Greyhound The Warren house I think that should be enough for you to get on with, have I missed any out??
Originally posted by maxrael
A lot of the Wetherspoons pubs in London have their own individual identity and character... i've been some horrednous ones, but i've been in some decent ones too. With all the new people continually moving into town, and the closure of pubs like The Dolphin and Thirsty Brandons, (and possibly The Sportsman, tho time will tell) it's becoming impossible to go out for a quiet drink on a Friday or Saturday night!! i'd welcome more pubs opening in Hertford no matter shape they might take!!
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Forgot the lord haig!
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ah The Black Horse... now that's a great pub! Admittedly when you list them like that it does seem like there's plenty of pubs... still always room for more in my book! ;-D
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where is The Warren House?
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quote:Well you should try the 30 pub, pub crawl starting at the Old Bulls Head in Baldock Street Ware. 1/2 pint in each pub, you have to set yourself a time limit in each, shorter at the beginning for obvious reasons and allowing for the train journey. If you start at 11.00am you can get 30 in by closing time. I have done it twice now, its good fun and interesting to see all the pubs.
Originally posted by maxrael
ah The Black Horse... now that's a great pub! Admittedly when you list them like that it does seem like there's plenty of pubs... still always room for more in my book! ;-D
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sounds excellent... i propose a forum outing
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quote:Warren Park road. Bengeo.
Originally posted by maxrael
where is The Warren House?
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Victor...your knowledge of the local hostelries makes me fear for your liver. Did you do the crawl first on the Mallathon a few years ago?
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I certainly did and then on a certain cigar smoking persons stag do.
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I only got to do half of it...had a game in the afternoon I believe.
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Getting a seat on a Friday or Saturday in town is still very hard. Thats why I'd welcome Witherspoons.
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i cant wait for weatherspoons who will sell real ale in date at a price all can afford, which promotes real ale and actually helps the independent breweries (which find it hard with tax on alcohol in this country) to continue a great british tradition! i just hope that this weatherspoons takes beer from the small independant breweris in the area.
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I thought the way that Witherspoons sold cheap booze, was by selling just before it was out of date? And yes I know thats still in date before anyone points it out
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Yes they do, but they still take the unused stock off breweries' hands, which may well have to be thrown away otherwise.
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I've just received a press release confirming that the toilets in Gascoyne Way will close as soon as the development in The Wash is completed. Now, do East Herts know something we don't because otherwise the disabled have a long wait on their hands. And with Nick Shipton's plans for the old Mercury building and the Your Move offices set to become another bar, not to mention Zog Investments making over the Job Centre - will JDW ever arrive in Hertford. And how are commercial property prices doing these days? A nice little earner if JDW decide to sell on.
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And their finances aren’t as clever as they used to be. Summer profits are down (& this follows on from three profit warnings last year). Would not be surprised to see them quietly leave town….. (well they were never really here were they..)
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Mr Sloop......what development in The Wash is referred to?
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will be right shame if JD never materialises....they finally cracked Frinton after many years of trying only to be (seemingly) defeated by Mac's stranglehold et al
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Zog Investments ?
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Errr................yes....................Zog Investments?
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Er ... yes ... The development at The Wash I presumed to be a reference to JDW as the press release was about loos (but as the heading said 95 cleaner loos - 95 being the number of the press release - I thought East Herts had 95 loos). I have heard no more about the on-going loo cleaning contract. Zog investments are the property company/developers behind the project to build bijou apartments above a select bar/restaurant.
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And there's also The Office just up the road and soon to open.
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what's The Office??
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i believe it's a bar/nightclub round the corner from Tikka Cottage, but stand to be corrected here....
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The Office is the white building next to the Tikka Cottage and on the corner of Queens Road. I understand it will open this autumn. I thought it was going to be a bar but I could be wrong.
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I believe it is going to be a nightclub. It's the old Dr Fowler surgey for those of us old enough to remember. Looks like they are cracking on with the work.
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It may be open in time for Jade Goody to frequent then...
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quote:Whoever they are, they applied for a licence to sell alcohol at an address in Castle Street. The application appeared in the Mercury under Public Notices, several weeks ago.
Originally posted by neveraxword
i believe it's a bar/nightclub round the corner from Tikka Cottage, but stand to be corrected here....
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Rumour has it is aimed at over thirties....we shall see....
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quote:That's what I heard. Also something bordering on a private club to get around the imminent no smoking in public places rule
Rumour has it is aimed at over thirties....we shall see....
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quote:Rumour has it that its aimed at high spending sports stars (i.e. Footballers & the like..) Interesting.. The owner is a well known local entrepreneur who was involved in the sadly not-to-be sports centre up at Sele Farm… Note from Admin: Please continue this discussion in a (new) separate thread
Originally posted by neveraxword
Rumour has it is aimed at over thirties....we shall see....
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Have Wetherspoons actually purchased the property?
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I got a reply back yesterday from Wetherspoons telling me there was no update on the progress. Shame really.
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If the service is as bad as the Wetherspoons at Wood Green they will go out of business within a week.
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is this place EVER going to open? And the Office bar. Veeeeeerrrrrrryyyyyyy Slow progress.
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Wetherspoons is due 2007. On very good authority, they will definitely be coming to town, albeit later than anticipated.
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2007???? Oh well, better alte than never. It was supposed to open in October 2003. It surely can't just be the public toilets that are causing the hold-up? Does anybody other than the homeless actually use them?
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Hmmmm, personally I'd rather have it never than late. Wetherspoons pubs are just not my cup of tea. The whole experience is very cheap. The food is poor; their drinks are cheap but always seem to attract larger elements of idiots taking advantage of their Alchopop promotions and cheap flowing Stella. I just can’t see them adding to the flavour of Hertford, I’d much prefer to see a more unique bar/restaurant move in. Can’t say I envy any guests staying in the boutique hotel (when it opens) overlooking the square at around 2am on a weekend morning.
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quote:Yes. A young, trendily dressed not-exactly-a-lady having a pee in the doorway one summer's evening last year. Trousers round her ankles, most of her on display. Shocking, particularly when you consider the number of places she could have nipped into just to use the loos. She wasn't completely sozzled either as she grinned and waved.[:0][V] I think the phrase is: Holy Mother of God. Will the new toilets be separate from Witherspoons, locked and facing the road too?
Originally posted by thefair1973
2007???? Oh well, better alte than never. It was supposed to open in October 2003. It surely can't just be the public toilets that are causing the hold-up? Does anybody other than the homeless actually use them?
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Im very disapointed to hear that a Wetherspoons will be opening in Hertford. I feel so lucky to live in a town thats managed to stay away from such awful chained establishments. Our pubs are to be proud of, a Wetherspoons is not.
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There are too many pubs in Hertford as it is.....oh well yet another pub for people to spend all weekend binge drinking in.
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And not only that but its a God Awful Wetherspoons. One of the things I brag to people about Hertford is its ability to keep relatively chain free (with the odd exception I know) and when we have brought in a chain its normally been a good one, but Wetherspoons, I just hope its not a sign of things to come. I hope the local pubs dont sell out to large chains, it would ruin Hertford.
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Cheap plastic pub = cheap plastic people. Hopefully Mac's will never let it happen
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I dont know much about the influence MACs have on Hertford pubs. I mean I understand there is a brewery here but I thought it was on its way out - or have I been mis-informed? How do they maintain control over what chain pubs are allowed in Hetrford and what arent? Assuming they own all the pubs at present, wont there come a day when it will be more cost effective for them to sell out to a chain?
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quote:Rich landowners with influence over more than just what beer their landlords sell.
Originally posted by Millster
I dont know much about the influence MACs have on Hertford pubs. I mean I understand there is a brewery here but I thought it was on its way out - or have I been mis-informed? How do they maintain control over what chain pubs are allowed in Hetrford and what arent? Assuming they own all the pubs at present, wont there come a day when it will be more cost effective for them to sell out to a chain?
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And thats good or bad in your opnion?
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I think there are enough pubs in Hertford, however if another one opens fair enough - just not a Weatherspoons. For me they are just the epitome of a ‘common’ pub. Yes, this is a snobby and a middle class sentiment but their whole mission statement yells ‘get as drunk as possible, for as cheap as possible and possibly have a fight’. I don’t know how Hertford has changed over the years as I have only lived here 18 months but it (to me) retains a county town flavour and I just don’t see a horrible chain pub like Weatherspoons fitting in with vision. Council type people, is there anything I can do to protest or is it a done deal?
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quote:Incorrect There was some uncertainty 2 or 3 years ago as I recall when some younger members of the McMullen family wanted to "realise their assets" (so to speak). I beleive this issue has now been resolved. [url="http://www.camra.org.uk/SHWebClass.ASP?WCI=ShowDoc&DocID=4432"]Herts biggest brewer saved from closure[/url]
Originally posted by Millster
I understand there is a brewery here but I thought it was on its way out
quote:Incorrect. This has never been the case. For instance: Duncombe Arms (Greene King), White Horse (Fullers), Black Horse (Greene King), Stonehouse (Regency Inns), Old Cross Tavern (Free House), Barge (Benskins)... I could go on ... [url="http://www.camra.org.uk/SHWebClass.ASP?WCI=ShowDoc&DocID=4432"]Herts in Hertford[/url]
Originally posted by Millster
Assuming they own all the pubs at present
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Well...moving slightly off topic but here goes: Victor lives in a house that sits on land previously owned by Macs. It was used as a sports and social club not only for employees but open to others as well. It was greenfield backing onto Mill Mead school. They used their influence to get planning permission for a load of new houses in prime location next to the station, overlooking existing properties in Port Vale. As a pay off, those properties get some parking spaces. Property prices in the area boom, which may or may not have been helped by this development and Victor moves into Outer Lower Bengeo. Local people lose a sports and social facility. Good or bad? Macs use their influence to stop a pub chain that you don't really like coming to town because it is competition for Baroosh. Good or bad? Macs have provided employment for many local people for many years. Good or bad?
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The past rumours suggested that it would be one of the "up market" versions of Wetherspoons (they have their own brand name, which unfortunatley I can't remember). Also, if they follow the lead of some of the other Wetherspoons they will be stocking beer from our other local brewery - the Red Squirrel Brewery - on a regular basis.
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You sound bitter? I thought that there was only a scout hut on the site and teh rest was there glass dump. Oh and btw I moved in, but have not moved out yet.
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Outer Lower Bengeo = Millmead Way. I'm not bitter in the slightest. A lot of people campaigned against the development but I've a feeling a lot of that was an anti-Macs campaign masquerading as a save the trees campaign. Someone I know was so upset he sold his house in Port Vale and moved to Ware because of the blight of being overlooked. Within a few of years it was worth twice what he sold it for. Idiot.
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Can I just put people straight here, it's not actually a "God Awful Wetherspoons" that will be opening in Hertford. It is to be a Lloyds #1 bar, so will be more like Baroosh. As for people moaning about too many pubs/restaurants in Hertford. I think it's blatantly obvious that the town can't sustain other businesses in buildings the size of the proposed Wetherspoons or the old Your Move estate agents, as both have been empty for years and other businesses had plenty of time to take over the leases. They obviously didn't because their feasibility studies came back negative. The fact that this place is a Llyods bar will eliminate most of the typical Wetherspoons crowd. I've never seen any other Lloyds #1 bar with that many undesireables in, with the exception of Stevenage, but then it's location explains that easily!
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quote:I think you have just described the Blackbirds perfectly. At least the drinkers in a Wetherspoons establishment are of a legal drinking age
Originally posted by Avarice
For me they are just the epitome of a ‘common’ pub. Yes, this is a snobby and a middle class sentiment but their whole mission statement yells ‘get as drunk as possible, for as cheap as possible and possibly have a fight’.
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quote:When planning permission is given it is for the land use and not (normally) tied to a particular named person, although obviously the applicant is named. However, you don't even actually need to the landowner to apply for planning permission. So no, I can't really see any legitimate protest you could make now as planning permission has already been granted, and it is for a "pub" rather than a Weatherspoons or McMullens. When such planning applications are received you can comment on the nature of the proposed customer base and how this will effect amenity. In itself, the brand of pub is not a "material planning consideration".
Originally posted by Avarice
Council type people, is there anything I can do to protest or is it a done deal?
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I’m aware of the Blackbirds and their clientele. Its here in Hertford and nothing I can do about it. However, I would like to limit these types of establishments. The site is very large and would limit what can be opened there – so I suppose a bar/restaurant it must be, I’m just particular about what sort of bar/restaurant it shouldn’t be. I have been in quite a few Lloyds and I personally don’t find them to be particularly up market. They still sell a rather unimaginative selection of cheap booze (shooters at £1.25, cocktail pitchers at £5, double vodka and red bull £2.50, etc.). There is a bit more stainless steel, music and plasma TVs across the place. However, their target market is identical (if slightly skewed towards the younger – perhaps Blackbirds market). They, are better than a normal Weatherspoons - and Weatherspoons is aware of their image is cannily re-branding most of their pubs to Lloyds. I would be hugely surprised if they had an aged 21 door limit (like Baroosh). A quick look at their locations (and my previous mentioned visits) suggests to me they do not usually open in the most salubrious of areas.
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quote:Camden Lock, Upper Steret (Islington) to name just two. By the way, I don't work for Wetherspoons, but I just think that the introduction of some cheaper food & drink can only benefit the consumer in teh long run. I'd have thought they they would have tried everything to get it up & running before the summer, as it would make a killing during the World Cup.
Originally posted by Avarice
A quick look at their locations (and my previous mentioned visits) suggests to me they do not usually open in the most salubrious of areas.
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...and Luton, Chelmsford, Watford - been all of them and all of them most definitely not the nicest bars in their respective areas. After a quick look at their web site it would seem to indicate they have more establishments in the not so nice areas than the nice (but ‘nice’ is a matter of opinion). Camden and Islington for example are not places short of nice bars (like Hertford) and I wonder whether Lloyds manages to attract a sophisticated drinking set that many other establishments in these areas do – or do they in fact attract people that want to get smashed on shots for a £1 a go? It is just my resolved belief that Lloyds / Weatherspoons set their stalls firmly for the ‘guzzle cheap booze and get battered’ brigade. One is downmarket and one slightly more upmarket but targeting a very similar demographic (as evidenced by all the 3 of the places I have been too [and 2 in Manchester] having previously been Weatherpoons and just changed logo and furnishings and reopened to virtually the same people). A pub full of football shirted world cup fans shouting at a TV on £2.50 double vodka and red bulls is again not my vision of a county town.
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how many footy fans drink double-vodka's?? Beers are the order of the day, and I'm sure most pubs in Hertford will sell a double vodka for £2.50 anyway. Do you propose that Hertford should be full of pubs like the Old Cross & Black & White Horses? There's nothing wrong with these establishments. Far from it in the case of the latter two, but everyone is different and a town should really cater for every demographic residing within it's boundaries.
Reply ID 16423
I would prefer a Wetherspoons pub than a LLoyds No 1 LLoyds No 1 always serve expensive and crap beer IMHO. Wetherspoons serve cheap beer and cheap(ish) food (apologies to Justin who serves good food)
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No, the ‘vodka’ comment was more of analogy to just idiots out on the p*ss. In this scenario I suspect it could easily be replaced with Stella or ‘wife beater’ as the pub comedians like to call it thinking they are first to name it this (*yawn*). Whilst the OXT and WH are fine pubs I do believe Hertford offers a variety to drinkers with The Snug, The Office (tbc), Waterside, The Barge, The Stone House, Elberts and Baroosh to name a few. P.S. You won’t get much change from a £5 at most these pubs for a double vodka and red bull methinks. We obviously differ on what we want. I just despise the footy type pub with blokes in football shirts, “get the beers in for lads”, and the trouble these places can cause. For me they are not an enjoyable experience and I personally find them rather ‘council estate’. I’m a self confessed bit of a snob and I like that Hertford has a fairly middle-class air about it. You want more choice and would relish this sort of establishment, I however do not. I think this concludes (for now [;)]) my comments on Weatherspoons / Lloyds / Footy pubs.
Reply ID 16430
May I suggest that you keep out of Hertford Town Center in the months of June and July this year!!!![8D]
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Well said Victor. I enjoy watching football in the pub and admit will sink several whilst watching England in the summer. However, I am not "Council estate" but have a working class upbringing. Don't be so stereotypical Avarice and stay away from things you don't like. There are now very few pubs in Hertford where you can watch football on a Sunday afternoon.
Reply ID 16435
Will do – luckily Hertford has very few (if any?) establishments that would be big enough to be occupied extensively by the face-painted, flag waving, xenophobic, nationalistic fools. I too enjoy watching sport in a pub. I think I was quite clear on what I don’t like and it was the stereotypical (and they exist) pubs with idiots in them – I have no examples of these pubs in Hertford, But living in Manchester I can name numerous in and around the Old Trafford area whereby you would not have a pleasant time wearing the wrong colour shirt.
Reply ID 16437
Misery Knickers!!!
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I for one hope that the new pub has a ban on televisions! 'If you want to watch telly, then stay at home', is my advice.
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quote:I have guzzled cheap booze and food and got battered in many a Weatherspoons. However, I have never caused trouble on my way home after, I don't urinate or throw up in the street, and I don't remember ever living on a council estate. Hertford is crying out for a decent place to watch football. If there was one, I would be there in the summer, with my shirt on, shouting at the TV when Sol has a legitimate goal disallowed for the 3rd tournament running. So, are you suggesting that I travel to Watford? Or maybe, as Maxreal suggests, stay at home and watch it there? I would suggest that neither of you have ever watched a world cup match in the pub and felt the atmosphere when, for example, David Platt scored with 90 seconds to go. Xenaphobic? Nationalistic? Or just people joined by a common bond slightly more stronger than the fact that we all live in a "county town". Oh, and by the way, I have been absolutely out of my tree a number of times in the Weatherspoons in Kingston upon Thames, the county town of Surrey. [}:)]
Originally posted by Avarice
It is just my resolved belief that Lloyds / Weatherspoons set their stalls firmly for the ‘guzzle cheap booze and get battered’ brigade. A pub full of football shirted world cup fans shouting at a TV on £2.50 double vodka and red bulls is again not my vision of a county town.
Reply ID 16531
Your right, Hertford does need a decent bar to watch sport in, but not a Weatherspoons. Something more along the lines of a sports cafe, TV's, Steaks, Burgers, beers and loads of chrome!
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Spotty Dog you are definitely barking up the right street here. As I alludeed to earlier, there are very few places left to watch the footie and a Sports Bar would be right up my alleyway!!!
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The problem with the world cup in Hertford is that Historically too many numptys come out to gather in the pubs after saving up for 4 years. Consequently they are unable to hold their pop and unable to cope with the highs and lows of England's progress. Subsequently the end up smashing the town up, fighting and generally making a nuisance of themselves. This is why the larger pubs/bars (eg Baroosh) have a no Football policy. Fortunately the Rugby World cup is next year, so we can all enjoy it on the big screen at Hoe Lane, throw beer over each other cuddle, sing songs and generally have a good time!
Reply ID 16537
...and then run outside to pretend we are scoring the winning try under the posts.
Reply ID 16538
Rugby world cup? Is that the one with 3 good teams and another 13 to make up the numbers? Egg chasers - pah! I digress - my point was partly football related. It was mostly aimed at the ridiculous snobbery that often crops up here where Hertford suddenly becomes some quaint "county town", only to be looked at through rose tinted glasses, and where the introduction of a Weatherspoons is likely to cause a breakdown in the social fabric leading to anarchy. Its all utter tosh. There are bars to appeal to most people in Hertford. My view is that Weatherspoons provide something that we currently don't have. They are a business, they research their sites before opening, and it would appear they are of the same view. I wish they would just hurry up and do it!
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Off topic again. The Rugby World cup is where countries across the world enjoy a tournament without their fans feeling they have to show there patriotism by getting smashed and fighting. Its a shame that the footballers on the pitch are not as "tough" as the small minded supporters, then perhaps we would not have to watch the likes of Robben rolling around the floor like he has just received a round house kick to the throat. I enjoy watching both sports, but lets face it, these days football is pretty farcical. Id rather watch England play Rugby than football any day. Keep Weatherspons out of Hertford. Cheep booze = cheap people. One of the only pubs in town that offers cheap booze is the White Hart, I think that says it all really.
Reply ID 16540
Funnily enough Victor, or not, Hertford had the least disturbances in East Herts, almost nil and the licensses were praised as a group and individually by the Chief Inspector for the way they handled themsleves and their customers during the last European championship. Compared to Cheshunt for example Hertford was a haven of peace and goodwill. A similar thing is happening now in that the taxi drivers are reporting fewer people coming in to Hertford from the other towns since the change in the Licensing laws. We are coming to a situation where people really are sh***ing on their own doorsteps.
Reply ID 16541
I read a report yesterday in the ES that the number of drink related crimes has reduced dramtically since the introduction of long licencing laws. I wonder what the killjoys would make of that?
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quote:If you like football, then why watch Chelsea? [;)] I really think your cheap booze/people comparison is over simplified, and I'm not sure what you are really getting at. Are you saying cheap booze attracts cheap people? Or drinking cheap booze turns normal people into cheap ones? And what is a cheap person [?]
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
Off topic again. The Rugby World cup is where countries across the world enjoy a tournament without their fans feeling they have to show there patriotism by getting smashed and fighting. Its a shame that the footballers on the pitch are not as "tough" as the small minded supporters, then perhaps we would not have to watch the likes of Robben rolling around the floor like he has just received a round house kick to the throat. I enjoy watching both sports, but lets face it, these days football is pretty farcical. Id rather watch England play Rugby than football any day. Keep Weatherspons out of Hertford. Cheep booze = cheap people.
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Having trouble explaining without really offending anyone!! Prices are high in Baroosh, the Snug and No11. I have never witnessed any trouble in those establishments. Prices are cheap in places like the White Horse and the Blackbirds, where there is often trouble. This is the point I am trying to make. Any yes sometimes drinking cheap booze does turn normal people in to loonies as they can afford to pour more down their necks! I would prefer to pay 50 pence per drink more to avoid confrontation because I had looked at their girlfriend!
Reply ID 16547
I'd rather pay less and look at their girlfriends without getting caught. Your eye-ing up technique obviously needs refining Mr Meldrew. And what would Mrs Meldrew have to say about you looking at other people's Girlfriends??? [:D] I don't think cheap booze attracts cheap people. Yes it may attract some, but do you really think that everyone who drinks in Bar 11, The Snug & Baroosh are high-rollers? Most of them are wannabees who only go there because everyone else does and they may get a glimpse if a Z-list celeb like Miss Goody or Sol Campbell. Is the beer good? No. Is the music good? A lot of the time, yeah, but get a dj instead of CD's. Do I frequent these places? Damn right, but if tehre's a queue for Baroosh, no way am I standing in it. There's plenty of choice in our town, and I'd like to encourage a bit more competition for Barrosh etc. That can only benefit everyone. I would class myself as a high-earner, yet I live in an ex-council house and would drink in Wetherspoons regularly if we had one. Does that make me cheap? On second thoughts, don't answer that [:D]
Reply ID 16550
quote:VICTOR - The White Horse, Cheap - since when? and trouble? Did you mean the White Hart?
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
Having trouble explaining without really offending anyone!! Prices are high in Baroosh, the Snug and No11. I have never witnessed any trouble in those establishments. Prices are cheap in places like the White Horse and the Blackbirds, where there is often trouble. This is the point I am trying to make. Any yes sometimes drinking cheap booze does turn normal people in to loonies as they can afford to pour more down their necks! I would prefer to pay 50 pence per drink more to avoid confrontation because I had looked at their girlfriend!
Reply ID 16552
Hmm Im starting to see the benefits of having a Wetherspoons in Hertford now actually... If anything it will quiten down the other bars like Baroosh etc and move all the chavs to Wetherspoons leaving more room at Baroosh for the rest of us. I like Baroosh but also refuse to queue and get battered around by other people once in there on a Friday and Saturday evening...
Reply ID 16553
I used Baroosh as examples. No not everyone that drinks in those establishemnts are high rollers, but I bet there are a fair few that would agree that paying a premium to drink in a relaxed environment is worth while, lets face it the majority of the town is expensive to drink, even the Millstream charges somewhere in the region of £2.60 for a pint of Fosters so allowing a place to open up that sells cut price booze will attract all that want to drink themselfs to oblivion and then not be able to handle it. Competition is great. but I dont think that the likes of Weatherspoons or what ever it would be would aim at the same market. BTW I only have eyes for Mrs M! [}:)]
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quote:A high proportion of areas within Hertford were Council estates or part Council estates not that long back. A large number of these homes were brought up and most of the residents don't consider themselves council estate yobs, privately owned or not. This includes a good proportion of the so called upper class Bengeo (that's BenJo btw). Personally I feel Hertford (Hartford) did not benefit from the mass influx of a certain type of people who have come into the town and seem to feel that the area is now some upper class haven despite the fact they know nothing of the town's history or of the people who were born and bred here. Nobody likes yobs but your perception of 'commoners' is somewhat skewed. Hertford USED to have a good county town feel, traditional pubs (some even had football!) and people a lot more accepting of each other without some self imposed 'class system'. That went away with the development of far more bars and dining establishments of the likes of Baroosh. I wish you well on your quest to turn Hertford into Knightsbridge, personally I preferred it the way it used to be, friendly and where most people knew the names of people in their street.
In response to Avarice
Reply ID 16665
Back when the wheel was square [:)]
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First post and so far the only post from you too; could be described as trolling, but I’ll respond nonetheless as it seems it needs clarification. Firstly, Oh how I wished I had used a different term to ‘council’. To explain: It was meant as a general (and yes stereotypical) description of a certain type of person and demeanour. It’s the term I use for the type that perhaps you call them ‘Neighbours from Hell’ (as seen on TV), commoners, yobs, oinks, scoats, chav (a la Daily Mail), etc. etc.
quote:Being ‘council’ to me does not in my mind simply equate to living in a council house (either currently or historically). It’s the actions of the person, however as I have said this is the description I use. Not that it matters but I was brought up partly on an estate in Widnes (pron: Wid-nes) and also don’t consider myself a yob but don’t get offended at the stereotyped term when used – I just think ‘well it doesn’t apply to me, but I do understand what that terms implies’.
A large number of these homes were brought up and most of the residents don't consider themselves council estate yobs
quote:I certainly do not see Hertford as upper class. I think I specifically mentioned in my post which you read the term ‘middle class’ – it is my perception (perhaps wrongly), however it is what is. I was unaware of having to know a town’s history before applying to become a community member or have an opinion on where I live. Places change, its sometimes sad, sometime not, but you have to get over it. Local places for local people only.
seem to feel that the area is now some upper class haven despite the fact they know nothing of the town's history or of the people who were born and bred here
quote:I have never offered any real insight in to my perception or what I think a ‘commoner’ is. Provide evidence of this skew - and evidence that Baroosh and more Hertford dining establishments stopped people being more accepting of one another. To refine, you could replace my comments on the ‘council’ with say ‘yob’ and the football shirted, brutish, drunken stereotype is what I meant. Note that solely wearing a sports shirt of any type does not at all mean you are a ‘yob’.
Nobody likes yobs but your perception of 'commoners' is somewhat skewed.
quote:I think if you re-read any of my posts this is something I have never inferred. What I want is Hertford to not attract the yob type that is somewhat overplayed in the media but does exist and I indicated I felt Weatherspoons does market somewhat more to this demographic. Its slightly disappointing that it would appear (and perhaps your continued posting here in the future on this forum will prove me wrong) that you solely registered to post this thread attacking my opinion (your legitimate right to do so) but offer nothing in the way of your ‘born and bred’ insight in to any other thread here. I tells you folks I remember when this forum USED to have nice a good constructive feel to it (some even offered their opinion on matters to forward the thread they posted in). [8D]
I wish you well on your quest to turn Hertford into Knightsbridge
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Come on Avarice, you are soooo last year! I do agree with Eden in that Hertford did used to have a nice homely feel and most pubs were regulars' pubs. The newer bars have attracted outsiders and not all the desired element either.
Reply ID 16677
I think that Hertford does still have a very homely feel, which is what I enjoy about the place. I moved to Hertford with work in 1996 from Bristol so still consider myself a bit of a latecomer but my husband's family has been here since the year dot. Newer bars have attracted people in from surrounding towns, but these people are bringing their cash to Hertford and ensuring that building are not left empty for years on end. I would acknowledge that more pubs can bring more problems but any drinking related problems can not soley be attributed to "outsiders" and I think sloop's earlier post said that we have a low level of such problems.
Reply ID 16678
I think you are being unfair on Eden, particularly the trolling bit. Eden's views are valid and harking back to the good old days is something we've all done. Hertford has lost someting in the last 5 years with all the new money and new bars/restaurants changing the demographic but the change has not necessarily been for the worse. Wetherspoons are looking to capitalise on Hertford's trendy image amongst the younger set and the move away from the old comfy county town that we used to be, typified by, for example, The Salisbury Arms.
Reply ID 16681
Eden’s post wasn’t a general ‘about the good old days’ post. Eden’s post was directed solely at me and I defended and explained the points she made to me. Eden has (to date) added no other value to this Forum and so I ascertain they solely registered to make a point at me (perhaps they have ‘lurked’ here a while or it’s a relation to another member I incensed and they registered to get their 2 cents). I wanted to explain my comments and did so. So, let’s move along now – nothing to see…
Reply ID 16683
Now perhaps to slightly eat my words. I went to St Albans last night and went among other places to Weatherspoons – an awful place, lots of very young, very drunk 'yobs' (not all but a good majority in my opinion). However, St Albans has another bar recently opened and owned by Weatherspoons. The Waterend Barn. As you may guess it’s in a refurbished barn and has been refurbished in a rather sympathetical way. It’s no-smoking too. The bar is loud, with a few screens showing music videos and does have a feel of Baroosh slightly about it (no sofas though, mostly standing), on the whole it wasn’t cheap, although did have alchopop drink promotions on. It was ok, can’t say their beer selection was regional or very different to any other chain type pub (with perhaps the exception of Erdinger). Aged was 20-30’s mostly. I still don’t want a Weatherspoons pub but if it goes ahead perhaps it will be something similar to the latter. Although I still would prefer something more similar to that described in the other thread about other people’s ideas for bars.
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So far no one has talked about Wetherspoons morning trade. The brewer/owner of Red Squirrel, who often makes deliveries to various Wetherspoons in the morning, was telling me that they are often quite well attended. The clientel resemble what you would expect at a typical workingman's club, retirees and early retirees. That would be quite ironic considering that the building was a conservative unionist workingman's club.
Reply ID 16685
So is it going to be a Wetherspoons or Lloyds Bar ?
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I emailed Wetherspoons in August 2005 asking what the plans were and whether it was to be a Wetherspoons or Lloyds bar. They replied saying that they were experiencing planning issues but it would open as a Lloyds Bar when everything was ironed out
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Personally i can't wait for weatherspoons to come to hertford. Drinks at sensible prices, about time too! I'm not "cheap" but I resent paying over the top prices in some bars/pubs for what seems to be no extra benefit but to be around other people who think its "trendy" to get ripped off. I go to various places in hertford and never really experienced any trouble. The only 2 real places of concern I would say are the White Hart and Zero's. The problem is nothing to do with the price of drink but the people, or age of, they let in. Weatherspoons in my experience are very hot on age checks and usually good at dealing with trouble makers if the need arises. I've always found the customer base of weatherpoons ususally depends on the area they are in(ie Leicester-tramps, cmbridge-students, Leeds-Northerners[B)]) I don't honestly think people are going to travel from other areas solely to go to weatherspoons, they have them in harlow and steveneage for people who like to travel to their drinking destination. I think it will mainly attract locals, and provide healthy competition in the town. As for "encouraging" people to drink to oblivion, fight etc... What rubbish. People who want to do this, will do it anyway, regardless of whether their pint of stella is 70p cheaper. I also can't see why there's so much concern about showing football on TV! I've watched most major footballing events in pubs and never experienced any trouble. That even includes the white hart, the bell in ware(when it was) and the grifin on sele farm, as these pubs tend to have better football match atmospheres in my opinion! They should also show the rugby too!
Reply ID 16704
Can someone tell me the difference (if there is any) between a Lloyds Bar and a Wetherspoons?
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quote:not alot, except lloyds bars usually look a little smarter and what you might call "trendy". whether they open a weatherspoons or lloyds usualy depends on the surroundings. we should take it as a compliment on our town!
Originally posted by Millster
Can someone tell me the difference (if there is any) between a Lloyds Bar and a Wetherspoons?
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quote:Got this from Wikipedia... "The chain [Wetherspoons] aims to undercut the prices of other pubs in the country. Wetherspoons pubs have a standard pub menu throughout the country and serve a variety of cask ales, having over 650 Cask Marque accredited houses. Pubs in the chain never play background music and usually do not have televisions or screen live sports. The chain has formidable buying power and does not stock Jack Daniels, Southern Comfort or any Bacardi products because of conflicts with suppliers." "Recently the chain have launched a number of new-style bars, under their new Lloyds No1 Bar brand, including those in Newcastle and Middlesbrough. These new bars play contemporary music (along with corresponding music videos that are displayed on wall-mounted televisions) and often have a small dancefloor that is used at weekends. Lloyds Bar has a similar food menu to the normal Wetherspoons outlets and, in keeping with Wetherspoons tradition, the prices tend to be below those of other bars of this type." [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wetherspoon_(J_D)_plc"]Wikipedia - Wetherspoons[/url]
Originally posted by Millster
Can someone tell me the difference (if there is any) between a Lloyds Bar and a Wetherspoons?
Reply ID 16715
That sounds like it was written by Wetherspoons' marketing department. No mention that the beer is cheap because it's near its sell by date (which is not necessarily a bad thing as it's better than dumping the stuff).
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Hmmm sounds like the Lloyds bar would fit in more in Hertford. Id prefer to see a Lloyds Bar - the few Wetherspoons Ive been in havent been spectacular and I wouldnt return.
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quote:My apologies if only having posted here once in some way lessens the value of my feelings and opinion, but everyone has to start somewhere. You are correct in your assumption that I did indeed solely register to respond to your posts, if I'm honest they angered me somewhat and to an extent affected the precision of my response (red mist I guess) but in essence my overall theme/points remain. From your posts here it does appear that you have very little experience of Weatherspoons and to be honest given the multitude of pubs/bars etc in Hertford I don't think one opening in Hertford is really going to make much difference. A number of the pubs in the chain I have been into have been modern and tidy establishments with cliental to match. To perhaps ask one question though, particularly to people who remember 'Ye Olde Hertford'. Would it not be fair to say that since the introduction of more and more dining establishments and 'trendy' bars such as Baroosh, the competition for trade has encouraged under age drinking and all the problems that go with it? After all back in the Hertford of yore, pubs tended to have a more community type feel with a very mixed age and class of customer. Perhaps the expansion of the pubs in Hertford over the years has encouraged detachment and segregation, in some cases forcing other pubs to cater for the younger demographic in a manner which encourages binge drinking which can ultimately lead to yobbish behaviour?
Originally posted by Avarice
Eden’s post wasn’t a general ‘about the good old days’ post. Eden’s post was directed solely at me and I defended and explained the points she made to me. Eden has (to date) added no other value to this Forum and so I ascertain they solely registered to make a point at me (perhaps they have ‘lurked’ here a while or it’s a relation to another member I incensed and they registered to get their 2 cents). I wanted to explain my comments and did so.
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No matter where I land on these type message boards everyone rattles on about what can best be described as a 'Golden Age'. Especially the BBC writers messageboard - that was excellent for nostalgia, mostly from people who couldn't write. I was an under age drinker at school; I was an under age viewer of x-films. You cannot get the town you want; you get what market pressures dictate. Hertford is no worse but miles better than a lot of others. Where in the UK is there not a problem with underage drinking. Sorry Eden you are viewing things through rose coloured glasses. Pubs used to have saloon bars, public bars and the snug for three old ladies to discuss the scandals in Coronation Stret. We had poverty, bad times, homelsssness, crime and hunger. I think I prefer 21st century Hertford.
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quote:Please...I mentioned in this thread alone I have been to “Luton, Chelmsford, Watford”, 2 in Manchester and now 2 in St Albans. 7 in all whilst this doesn’t make me an expert I think it rates as above 'little experience'. …and back to the thread title… Pubs are businesses and I guess they try to maximise their profits, looking at old Hertford they could have throught the 'olde pub' market was saturated and decided to look at another demographic and young people now have an awful lot of disposable income. The Blackbirds seems to have changed hands (I think) what sort of pub(s) was it before the one now?
From your posts here it does appear that you have very little experience of Weatherspoons
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The Blackbirds: One time disreputable dive, finally closed when the manager was stabbed. Then bought by a trendy pub chain - Firkin - done up (Fledgling and Firkin), and became highly successful, the place to be seen, packed every Friday and Saturday. Fell out of favour with the arrival of Baroosh and The Stone House and returned as...The Blackbirds. Once again, one of the trendy places to be and without the old baggage.
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quote:You could be right, although I don't seem to recall as many groups of youths hanging around in those years past or as many drunken fights or as many people coming to the town to cause trouble as mentioned in other threads. Like you say though, it's a problem most ofthe UK now has. Glasses off!
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
No matter where I land on these type message boards everyone rattles on about what can best be described as a 'Golden Age'. Especially the BBC writers messageboard - that was excellent for nostalgia, mostly from people who couldn't write. I was an under age drinker at school; I was an under age viewer of x-films. You cannot get the town you want; you get what market pressures dictate. Hertford is no worse but miles better than a lot of others. Where in the UK is there not a problem with underage drinking. Sorry Eden you are viewing things through rose coloured glasses. Pubs used to have saloon bars, public bars and the snug for three old ladies to discuss the scandals in Coronation Stret. We had poverty, bad times, homelsssness, crime and hunger. I think I prefer 21st century Hertford.
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We'd have to open a fair number of pubs to get back to anywhere near what Hertford used to have. Since the mid 70s the following have closed: Rheindeer, Port Hill (became, eventually, The Hillside) Greyhound, Port Vale Bell and Crown, Cowbridge Ship, Cowbridge Unicorn, Hartham Lane Three Tuns, St Andrew St (became the Thai resturant) Royal Oak (?), in the vicinity of the bypass near Esso garage Punchbowl (?), Railway Street, in the vicinity of Farrrow and Farrow Warren House, Railway Street Dolphin, opposite Hertford East Station Dimsdale, Fore Street The Plough/Warehouse, A414 roundabout near Bluecoats Nags Head, near the A10 viaduct New pubs: The Old Cross Tavern The Stonehouse The Snug
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quote:As I hail from Middlesbrough, I can safely say that the Lloyds bar is an excellent venue for watching sports, with one of the biggest screens I've seen (over two storeys high). Great for sports
Recently the chain have launched a number of new-style bars, under their new Lloyds No1 Bar brand, including those in Newcastle and Middlesbrough.
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The Blackbirds only became disreputable when they closed the [disreputable] Dimsdale Arms and the customers decamped to The Blackbirds. Eric kept them out as long as he could but when he left it all went rapidly downhill.
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quote:Where was that? Doesn't seem room for three pubs on that street.
Greyhound, Port Vale
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quote:Mirror image of the Two Brewers. Corner of Russel Street opposite the school.
Originally posted by skankyquote:Where was that? Doesn't seem room for three pubs on that street.
Greyhound, Port Vale
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quote:Right, makes sense.
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beanequote:Mirror image of the Two Brewers. Corner of Russel Street opposite the school.
Originally posted by skankyquote:Where was that? Doesn't seem room for three pubs on that street.
Greyhound, Port Vale
Reply ID 17102
Just seen the yellow sticker on Witherspoons requesting opening hours until 2.00pm and for entertainment. Apparently to be called 'Five Bishops' after i presume the same bishops that formed the first Synod in Hertford in 673Ad which amongst other things determined the date when Easter was to fall each year. Does this mean that they are to begin work very shortly and my hopes of a multiplex cinema with bowling alley and drive through Macs have now been finally dashed.
Reply ID 17105
Does it say something about the good people of our town that all the threads about pubs have far more messages than any other subject?
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I personally wouldn’t welcome a 'spoons pub in Hertford, purely from a selfish point of view. I enjoy going out and drinking as much as the next student (prob more in fact), but there’s no way I want a pub like a spoons in my home town. No way. Reading has 3 Wetherspoons pubs, and they are used, mostly, by students and the unemployed, they are not family pubs because most of the people that go in there take advantage of the beer being £1.29 a pint and the spirits being £1/shot. I enjoy coming back home and drinking in the Salisbury, the Feathers and in the Blackbirds when I’m out on a Sat night in Hertford with my other student chums. A wetherspoons will bring trouble into Hertford like you will see in St.Evenage if you ever dare to go that way. I specifically recommend waiting outside Cobanas if you want to witness some class one gratuitous violence, normally precipitated by someone exclaiming "wot you lookin' at?" It'd be nothing but trouble I tell thee… Exiled_in_Reading
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Still ambivalent about a Wetherspoons in Hertford, but to be honest I think Tim Martin et al, have lost interest after (i) all the planning hassle and (ii) a big turndown in profits. However Exiled_in_Reading's post does remind me of the Wetherspoons in ....Reading centre. Probably the worst example of the chain I've ever been in (worse even in the one in Dover..) They are now trying to re-pitch their pubs from the ones mentioned (11.00am - Cheese & Wine Society queuing at the door all ready for their £1.20 pints & chasers shortly to exclaim "wot you lookin' at?" ) to a non smoking more stylish version…... that said, this could be the reason for the downturn... No-one ever lost money by hitting on the lowest common denominator... Incidentally, following on from John's post what happened to the "last Witch in England" name they were going to use???
Reply ID 17116
quote:cant remember if its the Hope Tap or the Back of Beyond which is the non-smoking of the 3, but it IS certainly the one that hardly anyone goes in due to it being just out of town... perhaps a nod at being PC?... One of the two main ones is located directly next to the county court. I often go down there to have a look at proceedings (final year LLB student), and it is quite evident that about 50% of the patrons in the afternoon are half cut, and are unemployed/unemployable. ..which is one of the reasons Reading is such a scum ridden cesspitt. But thats another story in itself.. Exiled_in_Reading
Originally posted by Capitalist piglet
Still ambivalent about a Wetherspoons in Hertford, but to be honest I think Tim Martin et al, have lost interest after (i) all the planning hassle and (ii) a big turndown in profits. However Exiled_in_Reading's post does remind me of the Wetherspoons in ....Reading centre. Probably the worst example of the chain I've ever been in (worse even in the one in Dover..) They are now trying to re-pitch their pubs from the ones mentioned (11.00am - Cheese & Wine Society queuing at the door all ready for their £1.20 pints & chasers shortly to exclaim "wot you lookin' at?" ) to a non smoking more stylish version…... that said, this could be the reason for the downturn... No-one ever lost money by hitting on the lowest common denominator... Incidentally, following on from John's post what happened to the "last Witch in England" name they were going to use???
Reply ID 17117
Finally!! Let's just hope they get their skates on and get it ready for the summer. Having just checked their web site though, it shows no new Wetherspoons or Lloyds #1 bars opening anywhere in teh UK in teh next 6 months. Either that's wrong, or the comany has halted it's massive expansion. I'd quite like another option of supping by the river, other than the Woolpack and the Barge. The Barge is OK, although technically, the beer "garden" is actually their car park
Reply ID 17235
In the application for a license on page 57 of the Mercury, they have: "3. Provision of regulated entertainment including film" I wonder what they mean by "film"?
Reply ID 17335
There was someone from Wetherspoons being interviewed on the radio this morning, and he mentioned that they were holding off opening new venues until they got more of an idea how the ban on smoking would effect custom in pubs.
Reply ID 17338
Are you sure that's what he said? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4769474.stm
Reply ID 17339
It wasn't the main story being covered (as that link is), it was just a passing comment in the discussion on their concerns about the effect of the smoking ban on business.
Reply ID 17414
A lady from Wetherspoons was kind enough to drop by ours for a drink last week and "warn" us that they now have the green light and will be opening as non-smoking. Apparantly they are due to open in April but I haven't seen a trace of building work yet. I appreciated the "warning" but we welocme more non-smoking establishments in the town!
Reply ID 17417
Didn't the Mercury report it as opening next Feb 07. We have been waiting so long, really looking forward to the opening. I bet the other pubs in the town are relishing the competition. Watch the prices come down.
Reply ID 17425
I seriously doubt that the Lloyds bar will be competition for The Snug. Two different target markets in my eyes, even though it is supposed to be a more up-market Wetherspoons
Reply ID 17440
Agreed. I can’t see bars feeling they have to lower prices in order to compete. The specialist bars (OXT / WH) will stay the same. The trendier end of the market will keep their prices higher to maintain their image as a premium brand (and keep their profits). Its why there are always disparities of price in items, regardless of competition, even when there are very similar products available. Many people equate expensive with better (rightly or wrongly). Personally, I equate cheaper booze prices with a higher propensity to meet an idiot on a night out and so would prefer to pay extra for the (perceived) chance of less trouble. It’s similar to why many people pay more for VW rather than Seat due to perceived engineering quality and reduced break-down risk when essentially they are pretty much the same cars yet Seat is cheaper and sells less cars.
Reply ID 17481
quote:Come next summer (2007) everywhere will be Non Smoking!
Originally posted by Snug Manager
A lady from Wetherspoons was kind enough to drop by ours for a drink last week and "warn" us that they now have the green light and will be opening as non-smoking. Apparantly they are due to open in April but I haven't seen a trace of building work yet. I appreciated the "warning" but we welocme more non-smoking establishments in the town!
Reply ID 26617
Posted by Ray_by_the_Beane There appears to have been some activity in the garden (and fences) at the back of the Wetherspoons/Lloyds near the Castle Gardens. Does this mean that refurbishment/construction is finally about to commence?
Reply ID 26618
Wheatherspoons opening was originally held up by changes in the market it's effect on their own strategy. The board halted all expansion, even the opening of some premises they had already aquired. If things are underway again, that's a good sign. Those posters who still receive the trade papers (I'm no longer a publican, so I no longer subscribe) should be able to gain insights from reading between the lines, whether that is the case.
Reply ID 26619
quote:So it was nothing to do with the public toilets then!
Originally posted by shunt
Wheatherspoons opening was originally held up by changes in the market it's effect on their own strategy. The board halted all expansion, even the opening of some premises they had already aquired. If things are underway again, that's a good sign. Those posters who still receive the trade papers (I'm no longer a publican, so I no longer subscribe) should be able to gain insights from reading between the lines, whether that is the case.
Reply ID 26621
quote:
Originally posted by Roosterquote:So it was nothing to do with the public toilets then! Probably toilets too, but if the climate had been right, they'd have not let that stop them all this time.
Originally posted by shunt
Wheatherspoons opening was originally held up by changes in the market it's effect on their own strategy. The board halted all expansion, even the opening of some premises they had already aquired. If things are underway again, that's a good sign. Those posters who still receive the trade papers (I'm no longer a publican, so I no longer subscribe) should be able to gain insights from reading between the lines, whether that is the case.
Reply ID 26706
Oh goody goody, a starter pub and just what the town needs - another addition to the vomitorium that is Hertford after an evening spent swilling even cheaper booze by people who are probably incapable of doing anything else.
Reply ID 26711
quote:But they'll smell nicer
Originally posted by Fish Wife
Oh goody goody, a starter pub and just what the town needs - another addition to the vomitorium that is Hertford after an evening spent swilling even cheaper booze by people who are probably incapable of doing anything else.
Reply ID 26715
quote:They'll smell nicer.....? How so? I have always thought the smell of regurgitated booze, be it expensive or cheap - all has the same stench. Likewise do the people who have globlets of it spattered down their clothing, legs and over their shoes. Still, I suppose they enjoy getting that way, and "it's a right larf chuckin' up over some doorway or windah." [:(]
Originally posted by wingnutquote:But they'll smell nicer
Originally posted by Fish Wife
Oh goody goody, a starter pub and just what the town needs - another addition to the vomitorium that is Hertford after an evening spent swilling even cheaper booze by people who are probably incapable of doing anything else.
Reply ID 27485
Looks like work has started..........the toilets have GONE !!!!!!!!
Reply ID 27517
Confirmation that big sign up today states The Five Bishops will open Summer 2007.
Reply ID 27521
quote:And we wonder why the town is in the state it's in when the only businesses that want to come here are the very ones that largely provide for the night-time economy, whilst the tumble weed continues its tumble along Fore and Maidenhead Streets. [:(!]
Originally posted by eelynda
Confirmation that big sign up today states The Five Bishops will open Summer 2007.
Reply ID 27548
Maybe we should turn Hertford into an English version of Sun City? That seems to be the way its going so why not just bite the bullet?
Reply ID 27551
I'm not sure a shift to leisure trade is a specific Hertford thing. So many goods are available online, people don't fix stuff, but just replace it. Nobody walks anywhere. There are not hoards of "housewives" to fill the pavements, because they are all out at work. Shopping centers are disused gravel-pits somewhere close to a motorway junction. It will change, when we are forced out of our cars, but probably to the web, rather than back into the town centers. Entertainment is the only thing we actually have to turn up for in person.
Reply ID 27564
Does anybody know of any data that reflects the percentage breakdown of business types (leisure, food, fancy goods etc) in Hertford over, say, the last 30 - 40 years? Even better with their relative monetary turnover. I'm sure there are similar national figures - it would be nice to see where Hertford sat in the wider evolution of the high street. Sight of this might make some people feel better that Hertford is turning into some giant boozer (personally, I have never been troubled by this idea).
Reply ID 27566
quote:Very well put and I agree totally. Internet aside, I also believe that as we are a car driving society, we are so easily drawn to bigger retail centres where more perceived choice is on offer. 35 mins or thereabouts to Lakeside on a good run is no great trek to endure to go on a shopping spree, and I'm as guilty as the next person of making it.
Originally posted by shunt
I'm not sure a shift to leisure trade is a specific Hertford thing. So many goods are available online, people don't fix stuff, but just replace it. Nobody walks anywhere. There are not hoards of "housewives" to fill the pavements, because they are all out at work. Shopping centers are disused gravel-pits somewhere close to a motorway junction. It will change, when we are forced out of our cars, but probably to the web, rather than back into the town centers. Entertainment is the only thing we actually have to turn up for in person.
Reply ID 27569
quote:I thought you had mentioned the internet? I've always found that most entertaining[}:)] seriously tho! whilst i am in agreement with herberts idea of a utopian(sp) drinking centre, what do you do? people want local services (I for one would moan like no-ones business if i couldn't buy a toaster or washing machine in town!) but the perception seems to be that things are cheaper "out of town". So off we all go (me included) causing conjestion, pollution etc. But you cant stop human nature can you? sorry i am rambling but i hope the jist of what im trying to say has come accross. Probably not! is it time to go to the pub yet?
Originally posted by shunt
Entertainment is the only thing we actually have to turn up for in person.
Reply ID 27589
How is that "on topic" did you not understand what was being said?? there, now look, you made me go off topic!!
Reply ID 27590
quote:NOT AT NIGHT IT DOESN'T!!!!
Originally posted by Fish Wife whilst the tumble weed continues its tumble along Fore and Maidenhead Streets. [:(!]
Reply ID 27595
quote:The name presumeably being a reference to the first Synod held in the town?
Originally posted by eelynda
Confirmation that big sign up today states The Five Bishops will open Summer 2007.
Reply ID 27603
quote:The misconception is that people want local services. If they did, the local businesses would remain trading. People want the simplest and cheapest, and all to often, that doesn't mean local anymore. We all like the idea of supporting local business, but in reality, very few of us do it, particularly if money is an issue. In the last 5 years, I have moved from being an avid local shopper, to almost a pure internet shopper. I now buy my groceries, clothes, music, film, pictures, furniture, inusurance and electrials online. It saves me a fortune and I don't have to waste vast amounts of time trawling around supermarkets or shopping centres. I don't worry about getting a parking ticket, and I don't worry about not finding a space. I can shop late into the night, and I don't have anyone telling me I have to finish shopping because its 4pm on a Sunday. I get it delivered, as part of a bulk shipment, so I don't pollute the air with further car use. I now only need a tank of fuel a week. Its the lean green way to shop! [:)] I do however use the Town Centre a great deal. I go to the pubs, the cafes, the restaurants, the corner shops, and for a "bits and bobs" type shop from the likes of Waitrose, Tesco or M&S. I say open Fore Street up to more bars etc! Its the future!
Originally posted by Mad Mick people want local services (I for one would moan like no-ones business if i couldn't buy a toaster or washing machine in town!) but the perception seems to be that things are cheaper "out of town". So off we all go (me included) causing conjestion, pollution etc. But you cant stop human nature can you? sorry i am rambling but i hope the jist of what im trying to say has come accross. Probably not! is it time to go to the pub yet?
Reply ID 27604
The subject of this thread is "Wetherspoons"
Reply ID 27611
I find it most alarming that the developer of The Office is quoted in this week's Mercury as saying that with the impending opening of his new bar and Weatherspoons, plus the already omnipresent cafe culture, the town is becoming like Aiya Napa. Now call me old fashioned, but is that the image the town should be aiming for, or one to be proud of? The town is becoming one big glorified night time vomitorium, so no, I don't think it's a good idea to have yet another bar in town, especially not one that sells booze as cheaply as Weatherspoons. Nor do I think becoming like Aiya Napa will do the town any good at all. What kind of strategic plan does this town actually have? If it is one where the Service Level Agreement is to close all the day time trade and shops, and then actively encourages the opening of pubs/bars/cafes, then it has achieved its aims. [:(!]
Reply ID 27679
I realise Lloyds bars are part of the Wetherspoon chain, but would not the sign have indicated this and not the idea it is a bona fide Wetherspoon's pub?
Reply ID 27680
quote:MICK WHO IS TOUCHED BY MADNESS - ARE YOU SHOUTING? AGAIN? Mr Fish Husband will be having words with you..........[:0] Quite right - it's tumble is somewhat restricted by the numerous bodies either kneeling to vomit, or bodies who are about to vomit that are being consoled by caring, inebriated friends or those bodies that are reclining in drunken stupor-induced somnulent postures. Once the tumbleweed has negotiated these obstacles it then finds itself stuck in the aforementioned vomit! So yes - it is unusual to see it at night. Isn't it already enough that the triangle at Parliament Square is already an area best avoided on any Thursday and Friday night, either as a pedestrian or driver as it is usually teeming with the contents of The Blackbirds and Zeros, some of whom are squaring up for hissy fits and handbag waving? [;)]
Originally posted by Mad Mickquote:NOT AT NIGHT IT DOESN'T!!!!
Originally posted by Fish Wife whilst the tumble weed continues its tumble along Fore and Maidenhead Streets. [:(!]
Reply ID 27681
quote:I agree. Wheterspoons is not my taste, but it does fill a gap in the Hertford range of venues. Ultimately, a new business opening in our town is a good thing. Much better than an empty building.
Originally posted by Spotty Dog
Whetherspoons have a section of the market that is not covered in Herford at all. Where in Hertford can you get a pint of (non-McMullens) bitter and a meal for a decent price; at relatively short notice; in a place that is large enough for a group of people to sit down, and in a prime location? It may not be "real ale", and the food may be a bit bog standard (chile, lasagne etc.) but there is nowhere else that does that combination. They have also announced they are switching to smoke free pubs, so that is the Salisbury out!
Reply ID 27756
quote:That was kinda what i was trying to say (although not very well)!! cheers dude!!
[i] The misconception is that people want local services. If they did, the local businesses would remain trading. People want the simplest and cheapest, and all to often, that doesn't mean local anymore. We all like the idea of supporting local business, but in reality, very few of us do it, particularly if money is an issue. In the last 5 years, I have moved from being an avid local shopper, to almost a pure internet shopper. I now buy my groceries, clothes, music, film, pictures, furniture, inusurance and electrials online. It saves me a fortune and I don't have to waste vast amounts of time trawling around supermarkets or shopping centres. I don't worry about getting a parking ticket, and I don't worry about not finding a space. I can shop late into the night, and I don't have anyone telling me I have to finish shopping because its 4pm on a Sunday. I get it delivered, as part of a bulk shipment, so I don't pollute the air with further car use. I now only need a tank of fuel a week. Its the lean green way to shop! [:)] I do however use the Town Centre a great deal. I go to the pubs, the cafes, the restaurants, the corner shops, and for a "bits and bobs" type shop from the likes of Waitrose, Tesco or M&S. I say open Fore Street up to more bars etc! Its the future!
Reply ID 27772
I have been looking forward to Wetherspoons's opening in the town for years and if my experience of their pubs in other towns is to go by I don't see what the problem is. They attract a mix of all ages, the food is cheap and edible and the booze very good value too. Don't knock em till you try 'em I say....
Reply ID 27781
quote:Absolutely agree. Thouhgh having seen the artist's impression in the Mercury last week, there does not seem to be much of the old Unionist club left, thought it was to be an adaption not a demolition.
Originally posted by The Informer
I have been looking forward to Wetherspoons's opening in the town for years and if my experience of their pubs in other towns is to go by I don't see what the problem is. They attract a mix of all ages, the food is cheap and edible and the booze very good value too. Don't knock em till you try 'em I say....
Reply ID 27867
quote:It may be a good thing for the night-time trade, most of whom are either sleeping it off the next day, or elsewhere working/vomiting/whatever. It won't do anything for the day time trade which is suffering so badly. Afterall, if you're coming into town for cheap booze at yet another 'trendy bar.' then you're hardly likley to want to walk around the shops!
Originally posted by shuntquote:I agree. Wheterspoons is not my taste, but it does fill a gap in the Hertford range of venues. Ultimately, a new business opening in our town is a good thing. Much better than an empty building.
Originally posted by Spotty Dog
Whetherspoons have a section of the market that is not covered in Herford at all. Where in Hertford can you get a pint of (non-McMullens) bitter and a meal for a decent price; at relatively short notice; in a place that is large enough for a group of people to sit down, and in a prime location? It may not be "real ale", and the food may be a bit bog standard (chile, lasagne etc.) but there is nowhere else that does that combination. They have also announced they are switching to smoke free pubs, so that is the Salisbury out!
Reply ID 27894
It's not only night time trade that goes on in Whetherspoons. They sell good coffee during the day at reasonable prices that should give some of the high priced outlets in Hertford some competition. Also, as stated elsewhere their food fills a niche for those who just want some reasonable priced food that is available at short notice. According to the brewer-owner of the Red Squirrel Brewery, who delivers his beer to various Whetherspoons outlets in the London area, you also get quite an early morning trade of the (semi-)retired as it provides a welcoming environment with no pressure to over indulge in the consumption of alcohol.
Reply ID 27898
quote:That's what I thought. Look a bit harder, the persepctive is a different to the photo and you can see the pitch of the WM Club's roof and the chimney stack. It's an architect's impression making it look alot larger than it actually will be. Interesting that it got through planning as the sketch makes it look like lots of full-height glass walls and a rendered corner curve.
Originally posted by Andrew Absolutely agree. Thouhgh having seen the artist's impression in the Mercury last week, there does not seem to be much of the old Unionist club left, thought it was to be an adaption not a demolition.
Reply ID 27914
I was speaking to the owner of the Office on Saturday. He claims to have been quoted out of context by the Mercury.
Reply ID 28082
any chance you can ask him if he ever plans to open his venue? Could have redeveloped the whole town in the time it's taken to do that building
Reply ID 28124
Wetherspoons = Teens row shop
Reply ID 28127
Wetherspoons can be nice , pleasant places, a new one in Palmers Green is very popular, good value and populated by the 'right'types that this forum seems to approve of..of course if you go into Wood Green Wetherspoons... I think it could be a welcome addition, especially if it forces some of the other pubs to look at their prices!
Reply ID 28144
quote:I think the artist's impression is of the new extension to the old building - the Unionist Club is the building that you can see on the edge of the artist's impression.
Originally posted by Andrew
Absolutely agree. Thouhgh having seen the artist's impression in the Mercury last week, there does not seem to be much of the old Unionist club left, thought it was to be an adaption not a demolition.
Reply ID 28146
If anybody is looking for an opportunity to convince themselves of Wetherspoons reputation, they could do no better than visit (deep breath) the Great Spoon in Ilford. It's like a YMCA with a bar in it.
Reply ID 28147
Lets hope they bring on a price war, so we can all get cheaper drinks...
Reply ID 28151
... and a place where you can get real ale (of a sort) after 11:00 p.m. if you so desire.
Reply ID 28248
Has anyone notice how narrow the pavement is outside? Any queues to get in will block that side of the street.
Reply ID 28257
quote:It is a vitally important requirement when 'pub queuing' to wear very little clothing, whatever the weather. Therefore the narrowness of the pavment will encourage the scantily clad clientele to huddle closer together, thereby helping them to keep warm from each other's body heat and consequently reducing the blockage on the pavement. Ah bless their little cotton sock-less hearts. [:0]
Originally posted by andleicester
Has anyone notice how narrow the pavement is outside? Any queues to get in will block that side of the street.
Reply ID 28260
I was thinking more along the lines of kebab access.
Reply ID 28295
quote:You can at the Snug!
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
... and a place where you can get real ale (of a sort) after 11:00 p.m. if you so desire.
Reply ID 36654
Has this project ground to a halt again? I don't recall seeing anyone on site for quite a while and there seems to have been little progress. I can't see them meeting their Summer '07 deadline.
Reply ID 36661
Due Xmas 2007 Steve (apparently).
Reply ID 36667
I overheard someone saying they knew the firm who were doing the roof and they aren't due to start till October, so the summer 07 deadline looks well and truly missed.
Reply ID 36752
Wetherspoons site has a date of 29/07/07. Cant wait, somewhere to take the kids lunchtime and get beer at decent prices. Unlike the London+ prices we pay now.
Reply ID 36765
quote:The point of my post was that it's looking as if you WILL have to wait as it looks unlikely they will meet the 29/7/07 date or anything near it. There have been so many opening dates come and gone that I no longer have any confidence in what they might say.
Originally posted by dayday
Wetherspoons site has a date of 29/07/07. Cant wait, somewhere to take the kids lunchtime and get beer at decent prices. Unlike the London+ prices we pay now.
Reply ID 36766
quote:I think The Office might even open before it.
Originally posted by Stevequote:The point of my post was that it's looking as if you WILL have to wait as it looks unlikely they will meet the 29/7/07 date or anything near it. There have been so many opening dates come and gone that I no longer have any confidence in what they might say.
Originally posted by dayday
Wetherspoons site has a date of 29/07/07. Cant wait, somewhere to take the kids lunchtime and get beer at decent prices. Unlike the London+ prices we pay now.
Reply ID 36767
Apparently work is set to commence next week - 12th or 15th. Considering the dramatic work going on at M&Co we might yet see JDW open in time for summer.
Reply ID 36768
The Whetherspoon's site is currently showing 29th August as the opening date. They are renowned for rapidly completing their refurbishments once they get going, so perhaps it really could be open by then.
Reply ID 36824
As soon as the polish builders turn up that place will be up and running in no time.[:D][:D] Mind you it might fall to pieces 6 months down the line but hey thats life.
Reply ID 36838
quote:And at the Black Horse Friday & Saturday
Originally posted by Snug Managerquote:You can at the Snug!
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
... and a place where you can get real ale (of a sort) after 11:00 p.m. if you so desire.
Reply ID 36846
Dobbin, didn't Rooster critique someone yesterday for using this forum to advertise their business? If you or snug manager or justin want to advertise why not pay for the banner on the top left of the screen? [;)] And, if I may quote Steve 5..4..3..2..1......!
Reply ID 36863
There are a few places where you can get real ale after 11p.m.in Hetford. But after 29/07/07 another will emerge. Only one will be selling at £1.69/pint though.
Reply ID 36875
quote:There were many things you could criticize the communist government in Poland for, but they did have extensive training and apprenticeship schemes for craftsmen. So they are likely to be at least the match for any British craftsmen.
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
As soon as the polish builders turn up that place will be up and running in no time.[:D][:D] Mind you it might fall to pieces 6 months down the line but hey thats life.
Reply ID 36876
quote:Well in that case you should update your web site and the flyer that was distributed recently. Both say that you cloose at 11:00 p.m. on Fridays and Saturdays.
Originally posted by dobbinquote:And at the Black Horse Friday & Saturday
Originally posted by Snug Managerquote:You can at the Snug!
Originally posted by Ray_by_the_Beane
... and a place where you can get real ale (of a sort) after 11:00 p.m. if you so desire.
Reply ID 36941
quote:No, I did not. Read the thread again thoroughly to understand what was happening. The difference is, we are up front and do not make out we are someone else in order to credit our own business. We are well known by posters and we do not try to disguise who we are. So quote Admin to your heart's content. If Admin has a problem with us, I am sure he will say so. By the way, we sell Cask Marque accredited real ale (the only pub in Hertford which is currently CM accredited regardless of the number of plaques you see affixed to walls) and we are in the 2007 Good Beer Guide as is The White Horse and The Old Cross Tavern. We do not sell real ale "of a sort"! In answer to your other query regarding our hours. We are licensed to sell alcohol later that 11 pm but we choose to advertise that we close at that time because our licence stipulates (as many other pubs,clubs and bars do) that we are not permitted to allow anyone in after 11 pm. If you are already in, we are permitted to serve you. I hope that sorts out all the queries. This is all off-topic, so my apologies Admin, I shall say no more..... If you wish to move it to The Black Horse thread, please do so.
Originally posted by arkwright
Dobbin, didn't Rooster critique someone yesterday for using this forum to advertise their business? [;)] And, if I may quote Steve 5..4..3..2..1......!
Reply ID 36958
Rooster, You didn't quote the whole comment. Why not pay for a banner if you want to advertise? You turned your response into a free add, yet again! I do frequent your premises and love the beer by the way, so it's not personal, I just think that if you want to advertise then pay.
Reply ID 36960
Take it outside please boys
Reply ID 37215
quote:They delivered the portaloos at lunchtime today (Monday 12th) - I presume in anticipation of knocking down the existing bogs. Was great fun. A BMW parked in Castle Hall grounds right where they wanted to site the porta-bogs was lifted up on a jack and then pushed out of the way. Would love to have seen the driver's face when they got back to it and it had moved!
Originally posted by sloopjohnb
Apparently work is set to commence next week - 12th or 15th. Considering the dramatic work going on at M&Co we might yet see JDW open in time for summer.
Reply ID 37345
Though the idea of Wheatherspons might fly in the face of pub traditionalists, remaindered beer is often better than that served elsewhere, if the turnover is high enough. That "real ale" may have been fine when it first settled, but buy the time a low turnover pub is half way through it's 18 gallon minimum purchase, it's closer to it's return date than the stuff Wheatherspoons serves. The Old Angry Tavern (for instance) is a fine real ale house, serving excellent beers, but it's not to everyones taste. To me it feels like drinking in a Tea Shoppe. I always expect to be brough a plate of cakes.
Reply ID 37359
quote:It's the curtains.........
Originally posted by shunt
Though the idea of Wheatherspons might fly in the face of pub traditionalists, remaindered beer is often better than that served elsewhere, if the turnover is high enough. That "real ale" may have been fine when it first settled, but buy the time a low turnover pub is half way through it's 18 gallon minimum purchase, it's closer to it's return date than the stuff Wheatherspoons serves. The Old Angry Tavern (for instance) is a fine real ale house, serving excellent beers, but it's not to everyones taste. To me it feels like drinking in a Tea Shoppe. I always expect to be brough a plate of cakes.
Reply ID 37488
Seeing as Mr Admin wants me to post on the existing thread. Just noticed the story in the mercury that says the Wetherspoons pub in the wash will be a Lloyds No1 This appears to be supported by the lloyds No1 openings page http://www.lloydsno1.co.uk/openings/ Also this page suggests that too http://www.lloydsno1.co.uk/openings/ GRRRR I was looking forward to a JDW free house type pub - not another crap trendy bar
Reply ID 37500
quote:The curtains went months ago.
Originally posted by Tiggerquote:It's the curtains.........
Originally posted by shunt
Though the idea of Wheatherspons might fly in the face of pub traditionalists, remaindered beer is often better than that served elsewhere, if the turnover is high enough. That "real ale" may have been fine when it first settled, but buy the time a low turnover pub is half way through it's 18 gallon minimum purchase, it's closer to it's return date than the stuff Wheatherspoons serves. The Old Angry Tavern (for instance) is a fine real ale house, serving excellent beers, but it's not to everyones taste. To me it feels like drinking in a Tea Shoppe. I always expect to be brough a plate of cakes.
Reply ID 37505
I like Wetherspoon pubs as I mentioned on here ages ago, but my two experiences of visiting Lloyds No.1 bars are of bland, characterless, soulless places...and not as cheap as W'spoons either. We have waited how many years for just another formulaic type drinking establishment of which there are many already in this town.[:(!]
Reply ID 37546
Very disappointing [:(]
Reply ID 37557
Having now just seen the artists impression in the paper I'm afraid the soon to be demolished public loos have more character [V]
Reply ID 37559
i have been visiting a lloyds No1 bar over the last few days. Kings Red river ale 4.8%, Highgate fox's nob 4.4%. Both were perfect, they are 20p dearer/pint than a JDwetherspoons, but at £1.89 still great value. The food menu's are the same for both outlets.
Reply ID 37563
Let's all lament the loss of the Wetherspoons pub we never had. They are comically terrible pubs. I've said it before but I think it's worth another go - a Wetherspoons pub is like a YMCA with a bar in it. At least it's close to the Job Centre.
Reply ID 37569
On the contrary Herbert, Wetherspoons attract an older clientele as they do not have music on their premises. But it would have appealed to imbibers of all ages. Now it will just complete the pubcrawl triangle of Woolpack and the Blackbirds for kiddywinks to enjoy.
Reply ID 37570
Gonads! I refer you to my earlier comment. They should open it, establish their clientele, build a skatepark on it, then fire the whole poundstretcher heap of fettered schtuff into the Sun.
Reply ID 37573
quote:Would you say the Woolpack is a kiddywinks pub..I would`nt
Originally posted by The Informer
On the contrary Herbert, Wetherspoons attract an older clientele as they do not have music on their premises. But it would have appealed to imbibers of all ages. Now it will just complete the pubcrawl triangle of Woolpack and the Blackbirds for kiddywinks to enjoy.
Reply ID 37577
quote:I think it's about attitude, rather than chronological age.
Originally posted by hertford born and bredquote:Would you say the Woolpack is a kiddywinks pub..I would`nt
Originally posted by The Informer
On the contrary Herbert, Wetherspoons attract an older clientele as they do not have music on their premises. But it would have appealed to imbibers of all ages. Now it will just complete the pubcrawl triangle of Woolpack and the Blackbirds for kiddywinks to enjoy.
Reply ID 37630
A lot depends on what else is around. The Wetherspoons in Stevenage town centre is full of young drinkers but then there is precious little choice of where to drink there, unlike Hertford. Having been there on a number of occasions late on Friday/Saturday they seem to have efficient and polite doormen and a noisy but non threatening clientelle. On that basis I don't see a problem with a Wetherspoons/Lloyds no 1 in Hertford
Reply ID 37634
quote:A friend and I tried the one in Stevenage on a Thursday lunchtime just before Xmas. It was full of people drinking cut price coffee. I thought that we'd wandered into Cafe Nero by mistake.
Originally posted by Andrew
A lot depends on what else is around. The Wetherspoons in Stevenage town centre is full of young drinkers but then there is precious little choice of where to drink there, unlike Hertford. Having been there on a number of occasions late on Friday/Saturday they seem to have efficient and polite doormen and a noisy but non threatening clientelle. On that basis I don't see a problem with a Wetherspoons/Lloyds no 1 in Hertford
Reply ID 37651
quote:Especially now Ted the Grass has closed [:)]
Originally posted by Andrew The Wetherspoons in Stevenage town centre is full of young drinkers but then there is precious little choice of where to drink there,
Reply ID 37668
quote:[}:)] and very very scarey.......
Originally posted by Deverauxquote:A friend and I tried the one in Stevenage on a Thursday lunchtime just before Xmas. It was full of people drinking cut price coffee. I thought that we'd wandered into Cafe Nero by mistake.
Originally posted by Andrew
A lot depends on what else is around. The Wetherspoons in Stevenage town centre is full of young drinkers but then there is precious little choice of where to drink there, unlike Hertford. Having been there on a number of occasions late on Friday/Saturday they seem to have efficient and polite doormen and a noisy but non threatening clientelle. On that basis I don't see a problem with a Wetherspoons/Lloyds no 1 in Hertford
Reply ID 37672
Out of the three Wetherspoons in Hull I would have to agree that it does depend where they are. The one nearest the old town has the oldest clientele while the one built nearer student houses tends to be more student orientated, although in the day all three Wetherspoons seem to either attract businessmen drinking coffee, or having a lunchtime pint and a large number of elderly ladies and gents huddled round the bar drinking a single pint over several hours. The one in town i think will reflect this. In the evening it will attract quite a mixed crowd with a large number of young people while in the day it will be a distinctly older crowd.
Reply ID 40122
At the risk of resurrecting an ancient theme by adding to this lengthy old thread, may I say that I for one still very much look forward to trying out the new Wetherspoon's pub in Hertford when it finally opens. The location is good, and being but a stone's throw from ye olde castle, etc., it might prove to be a popular venue for tourists and other visitors. http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/pubfinder/details.php?OutletNumber=738 I wonder what the name of the new pub will be. Whose round is it?
Reply ID 40125
quote:Er, it's in the link you provided and mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Originally posted by TVA
I wonder what the name of the new pub will be.
Reply ID 40127
quote:My apologies -- I don't recall seeing it in the 17 pages of posts above (the link is not working for me at present).
Originally posted by Stevequote:Er, it's in the link you provided and mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Originally posted by TVA
I wonder what the name of the new pub will be.
Reply ID 40133
quote:No apologies needed TVA. This thread has been going so long & has become so convoluted that it can be considered as another negative part of Tony Blair’s legacy. And like Iraq it’s just as confusing to unravel……….
Originally posted by TVAquote:My apologies -- I don't recall seeing it in the 17 pages of posts above (the link is not working for me at present).
Originally posted by Stevequote:Er, it's in the link you provided and mentioned elsewhere in this thread.
Originally posted by TVA
I wonder what the name of the new pub will be.
Reply ID 40144
I think the answer to all this may be found in the pages of today's Mercury; which I haven't bought yet so have yet to find out what i've said on the subject. But sure it was valid and to the point.
Reply ID 40147
The place is now going to be called The Knights Templar as reported in the Mercury today.
Reply ID 40153
quote:Clever move to cash in......
Originally posted by Deveraux
The place is now going to be called The Knights Templar as reported in the Mercury today.
Reply ID 40156
quote:The Knights Templar But the name of the new pub was supposed to be "Five Bishops"? This is the name actually etched onto the stone at the front of the pub.
Originally posted by Deveraux
The place is now going to be called The Knights Templar as reported in the Mercury today.
Reply ID 40159
quote:It was originally going to be called The Jane Wenham I believe. Mind you, I wonder how many people will simply call it "The Wetherspoons Pub" [}:)]
Originally posted by TVAquote:The Knights Templar But the name of the new pub was supposed to be "Five Bishops"? This is the name actually etched onto the stone at the front of the pub. I can see it from the street.
Originally posted by Deveraux
The place is now going to be called The Knights Templar as reported in the Mercury today.
Reply ID 40160
How about simply "the pub"? Well the name on the stonework of the building was still "Five Bishops" this morning when I looked. Either way, the new pub is well placed to capitalise on our local heritage. As the town mayor herself, Cllr Sally Newton, recently boasted after the last open-day at Hertford Castle:- "There was a constant stream of people coming from locally, London, abroad and other towns throughout the county..." http://www.herts-essex-news.co.uk/news/mercury/hertfordshire_mercury/2007/05/11/castle%20is%20the%20king%20of%20family%20entertainment.lpf
Reply ID 40163
quote:I believe the first name was 'The Last Witch'.
Originally posted by Deverauxquote:It was originally going to be called The Jane Wenham I believe. Mind you, I wonder how many people will simply call it "The Wetherspoons Pub" [}:)]
Originally posted by TVAquote:The Knights Templar But the name of the new pub was supposed to be "Five Bishops"? This is the name actually etched onto the stone at the front of the pub. I can see it from the street.
Originally posted by Deveraux
The place is now going to be called The Knights Templar as reported in the Mercury today.
Reply ID 40164
I preferred the 'Five Bishops' for the pub name. It refers to a specific event that took place on a specific date in Hertford's history. The Hertford / Templar connection isn't very impressive when you consider that the Knights Templar are believed to have had quite a lot of property all over the country. If it helps bring tourists into Hertford, all well and good, but what happens when the current interest in the Templars (ignited by the Da Vinci Code book and film) dwindles - as it will? Change the pub name perhaps.
Reply ID 40165
quote:The issue of a name of this pub is beginning to sound almost like a microcosm of the ancient struggle between the Church, personified by their "Five Bishops", and the heretics. The heretics appear to have won.
Originally posted by Ewoowar I believe the first name was 'The Last Witch'.
Reply ID 40169
quote:The primary connection between the Templars and Hertford Castle is a specific historical event. The "bishops" connection is not more specific or more relevant, since there have been many other Church synods and councils throughout the world, of equal and much greater import, and many other notable bishops. As for the long-term appeal of the Templar connection, don't worry my friend. Other locations associated with the Templars and the Crusades already have pubs named accordingly. These venues do quite well, and in many cases have done so for a very long time indeed, so there is probably no cause for concern in this case. In fact, the Templars are already an established part of the great JD Wetherspoon tradition. The corporation even has a pub called "The Knights Templar" near Fleet Street, a stone's throw from the original Temple in London -- a building that still stands proud today: http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/pubfinder/_details.php?OutletNumber=449 The foundations of this whole area, now known as the City of London, were laid by the Knights Templar, at a time when it was all just a wild green water-meadow on the muddy banks of a river called the Thames. Many of the original buildings and streets built by the Templars still stand, each one a masterpiece in its own right, and these constructions are still in everyday use. The official seal of the Corporation of London and indeed the flag of England still bear the red cross of the Order to this day.
Originally posted by lemonjelly
I preferred the 'Five Bishops' for the pub name. It refers to a specific event that took place on a specific date in Hertford's history. The Hertford / Templar connection isn't very impressive when you consider that the Knights Templar are believed to have had quite a lot of property all over the country. If it helps bring tourists into Hertford, all well and good, but what happens when the current interest in the Templars (ignited by the Da Vinci Code book and film) dwindles - as it will? Change the pub name perhaps.
Reply ID 40175
There is also no definite proof that the Synod of 673 actually took place in our Hertford. Some have argued that Hartford, Huntingdonshire was the actual location. Activity contemporary with the Synod was however found during excavations at Foxholes in the '70s and '80s. Pottery of the same date was also found during the Riviere development.
Reply ID 40176
Please return to topic Repeatedly editing your posts may lead to suspension
Reply ID 40189
quote:Indeed, perhaps "Five Bishops" always was a spurious and unsuitable choice of name for this pub. Fascinating stuff.
Originally posted by Aelle
There is also no definite proof that the Synod of 673 actually took place in our Hertford. Some have argued that Hartford, Huntingdonshire was the actual location. Activity contemporary with the Synod was however found during excavations at Foxholes in the '70s and '80s. Pottery of the same date was also found during the Riviere development.
Reply ID 40197
quote:Must take note of the Optition Thread - Where is it, looked today. Could only see it on a Banner, the only etched thing I could spot was the original C&G Club Facia.
Originally posted by TVAquote:The Knights Templar But the name of the new pub was supposed to be "Five Bishops"? This is the name actually etched onto the stone at the front of the pub.
Originally posted by Deveraux
The place is now going to be called The Knights Templar as reported in the Mercury today.
Reply ID 40206
They should have called it Clibbon's Post.
Reply ID 40226
Has no-one else noticed that Deveraux was joking about the name of the pub. As soon as I saw that TVA was back on the forum I wondered how long it would be before she mentioned the Knights Templar as she had a previous fixation about them. Deveraux was also aware of this. The pub is to be called the Five Bishops.
Reply ID 40227
Sorry Bengeo Bob - no joke. Heard about this ten days ago - confirmed by Wetherspoons HO.
Reply ID 40228
I Suspect we will be calling it the Chav Templar when it opens.
Reply ID 40229
quote:Who says I was joking! Have a look at Friday's edition of the Mercury, page 11. Unless Ray "Scoop" Brown has surpassed himself, it does look as though the name has been changed. Either that or the story was held over from April 1st. [:D]
Originally posted by Bengeo Bob
Has no-one else noticed that Deveraux was joking about the name of the pub. As soon as I saw that TVA was back on the forum I wondered how long it would be before she mentioned the Knights Templar as she had a previous fixation about them. Deveraux was also aware of this. The pub is to be called the Five Bishops.
Reply ID 40231
Is that the 3rd or 4th name change so far................wonder how many more before it eventually opens, once it is "engraved in stone" on the outside they will have to stick with it!
Reply ID 40232
quote:I think the name will now remain 'The Knights Templar', seeing as (according to the Mercury) the modern-day Templars have offered to pay J.D. Wetherspoons.
Originally posted by Marilyn
Is that the 3rd or 4th name change so far................wonder how many more before it eventually opens, once it is "engraved in stone" on the outside they will have to stick with it!
Reply ID 41031
Have a look at Friday's edition of the Mercury, page 11. Unless Ray "Scoop" Brown has surpassed himself, it does look as though the name has been changed. Either that or the story was held over from April 1st. It's in the Mercury, it must be true!
Reply ID 41327
Which knights templar though? The official Masonic version or the TVA secret society that only gets mentioned in fictional novels and TVA's posts (presumably because they are so secret and guard the holy grail) NI
Reply ID 41342
In this day and age, giving a new pub a religiously connected name seems a little odd.
Reply ID 41350
thats not really a religious name though is it, not that most people would realise or care about. I see no reason why such a name should be avoided anyway.
Reply ID 41364
quote:It's not that it should be avoided, but that pubs were traditionally named because of something which was relevant to the era. Baroosh is just as odd. Very few know what a Baroosh is and it has no relevance to the business of a modern bar. It's almost random. Why, for instance, would the Knights Templar want a bar bearing their name and be prepared to pay for it?
Originally posted by codek2
thats not really a religious name though is it, not that most people would realise or care about. I see no reason why such a name should be avoided anyway.
Reply ID 41366
quote:The 5 Bishops would have also been a relgious name and you could argue that the Jane wWnham also has at least quasi religous connections. To be honest won't it generally be called Wetherspoons or Lloyds anyway?
Originally posted by shuntquote:It's not that it should be avoided, but that pubs were traditionally named because of something which was relevant to the era. Baroosh is just as odd. Very few know what a Baroosh is and it has no relevance to the business of a modern bar. It's almost random. Why, for instance, would the Knights Templar want a bar bearing their name and be prepared to pay for it?
Originally posted by codek2
thats not really a religious name though is it, not that most people would realise or care about. I see no reason why such a name should be avoided anyway.
Reply ID 41367
quote:What is the point of being a secret society if nobody knows you exist[;)] If it brings more of the right sort of people into the town then it is no bad thing.
Originally posted by shunt
[quote] It's not that it should be avoided, but that pubs were traditionally named because of something which was relevant to the era. Baroosh is just as odd. Very few know what a Baroosh is and it has no relevance to the business of a modern bar. It's almost random. Why, for instance, would the Knights Templar want a bar bearing their name and be prepared to pay for it?
Reply ID 41370
I have visions of a lone, visiting knight wandering into the place because of the name and wondering which of the assembled crowd are his fellows.[:D]
Reply ID 49530
Personally, of the previously suggested names, I thought "The Last Witch" was the best one. Does anyone know the latest opening date of the Witherspoons yet?
Reply ID 49531
I do believe - but don't hold me to this - it's Friday next week [:)]
Reply ID 49536
quote:3rd March
Originally posted by Dude
Personally, of the previously suggested names, I thought "The Last Witch" was the best one. Does anyone know the latest opening date of the Witherspoons yet?
Reply ID 49575
I was peering at the place earlier today and noticed that they are advertising a pint of "Ale" for.............£1.79. There are also recruitment posters up but I didn't notice any with the opening date on.
Reply ID 49576
quote:By any chance did you see how much the lager was? It'll be interesting to see how much lower than McMullen's £2.79 (I think) pints of Fosters it will be.
Originally posted by Sarah Hughes
I was peering at the place earlier today and noticed that they are advertising a pint of "Ale" for.............£1.79. There are also recruitment posters up but I didn't notice any with the opening date on.
Reply ID 49635
Check out this page for Wetherspoons main drinks prices. However, take note that different "spoons" charge different prices, depending on the clientele and afluence of the area... http://www.jdwetherspoon.co.uk/food-and-drink/table-top-talkers.php
Reply ID 49637
Looks so much cheaper - hope over 35's are allowed in....
Reply ID 49639
It actually opens it's doors for the first time on March 2nd, but that is an invite-only VIP event. Opens to the public at 9am on Monday 3rd, according to the foreman. I can't wait! I'll be on there on teh Thursday for a curry club!
Reply ID 49642
quote:It's such a shame they stuck that cheap poster up advertising cheap beers. Until that point I thought the place looked quite smart and I had high hopes for it.
Originally posted by Sarah Hughes
I was peering at the place earlier today and noticed that they are advertising a pint of "Ale" for.............£1.79.
Reply ID 49646
quote:I do hope that's sarcasm! Or are you suggesting that the people who think £1.79 for a pint of real ale is very reasonable are 'not the right type'?
Originally posted by nora battyquote:It's such a shame they stuck that cheap poster up advertising cheap beers. Until that point I thought the place looked quite smart and I had high hopes for it.
Originally posted by Sarah Hughes
I was peering at the place earlier today and noticed that they are advertising a pint of "Ale" for.............£1.79.
Reply ID 49648
quote:You do realise that £1.79 for a pint of ale isn't that cheap; in fact, it's quite normal for anywhere outside of London. You must have just gotten used to being ripped off by McMullen's thieving prices.
Originally posted by nora battyquote:It's such a shame they stuck that cheap poster up advertising cheap beers. Until that point I thought the place looked quite smart and I had high hopes for it.
Originally posted by Sarah Hughes
I was peering at the place earlier today and noticed that they are advertising a pint of "Ale" for.............£1.79.
Reply ID 49725
Yeah , 200 miles outside London , 10 years ago ??
Reply ID 50176
At last, a reasonably priced pint in Hertford - Abbott for £1.99 a pint or £1.79 on Wednesdays. Until The Six Templars opened Hertford beer prices were much higher than central London.
Reply ID 50177
Tonight will be the test.....Witherspoons prices = student magnet ahoy! Which pub will be empty do you think? Blackbirds? Woolpack? Stonehouse?
Reply ID 50179
quote:I don't think it's loud enough for students
Originally posted by Dude
Tonight will be the test.....Witherspoons prices = student magnet ahoy! Which pub will be empty do you think? Blackbirds? Woolpack? Stonehouse?
Reply ID 50189
quote:Too true. I am always amazed that the White Horse charges 30p more a pint for Fuller's ESB than Fuller's pubs in central London. It's a disgrace. Rant over.
Originally posted by Dillinquent
At last, a reasonably priced pint in Hertford - Abbott for £1.99 a pint or £1.79 on Wednesdays. Until The Six Templars opened Hertford beer prices were much higher than central London.
Reply ID 50194
quote:Transport costs? It's further from Chiswick to Hertford than from Chiswick to Central London. Though 30p/pint seems a big premium, maybe in comes up in a Rolls Royce
Too true. I am always amazed that the White Horse charges 30p more a pint for Fuller's ESB than Fuller's pubs in central London. It's a disgrace. Rant over.
Reply ID 50208
I know this has probably been answered before but who are Witherspoons? and what do they have to do with the new pub opened by JD Wetherspoon? Are they any better?
Reply ID 50216
quote:Good one Jez!! I have already been chastised for bringing that up! [:D][:D][:D][:D]
Originally posted by jez_p
I know this has probably been answered before but who are Witherspoons? and what do they have to do with the new pub opened by JD Wetherspoon? Are they any better?
Reply ID 50218
Well the Mercury are even worse - they spell it Lloyds No 1 [;)]
Reply ID 50219
Witherspoons is a boxing-themed pub chain started by fighting legend, Tim Witherspoon. I understand they have a number of outlets in the Romford/Ilford area [B)] [:D]
Reply ID 50242
Transport costs? That's nothing to do with it. I paid £3.00 for a pint of Red Squirrel at the Old Cross last week and then I paid £2.00 for pint of Red Squirrel in the Spoon on Monday. Does this means that Gary's charging the Old Cross an extra £72 per barrel than he charges Wetherspoon? Of course not! Local publicans will keep charging what they think they can get away with. Hopefully Spoons will increase the guest beer range then local publicans will have to do something. The Old Cross will still have real ale fans over a barrel until then.
Reply ID 50243
quote:Actually it might. Whetherspoons buy from remainder wholesalers because they can with their huge turnover. OXT has to buy with ample shelf life left, even though they are a real ale outlet, they are just one. The price difference can be staggeringly huge!
Originally posted by Bengeo Bob
Transport costs? That's nothing to do with it. I paid £3.00 for a pint of Red Squirrel at the Old Cross last week and then I paid £2.00 for pint of Red Squirrel in the Spoon on Monday. Does this means that Gary's charging the Old Cross an extra £72 per barrel than he charges Wetherspoon? Of course not! Local publicans will keep charging what they think they can get away with. Hopefully Spoons will increase the guest beer range then local publicans will have to do something. The Old Cross will still have real ale fans over a barrel until then.
Reply ID 50245
quote:I was comparing two Fullers pubs directly though. White Horse at £3.30 a pint and The Ship in Central London at less than £3.00. It's just not justifiable except that the White Horse will say that people in Hertford are prepared to pay it. Perhaps the advent of a Wetherspoon's in town will review extreme pricing like the one I mention.
Originally posted by shuntquote:Actually it might. Whetherspoons buy from remainder wholesalers because they can with their huge turnover. OXT has to buy with ample shelf life left, even though they are a real ale outlet, they are just one. The price difference can be staggeringly huge!
Originally posted by Bengeo Bob
Transport costs? That's nothing to do with it. I paid £3.00 for a pint of Red Squirrel at the Old Cross last week and then I paid £2.00 for pint of Red Squirrel in the Spoon on Monday. Does this means that Gary's charging the Old Cross an extra £72 per barrel than he charges Wetherspoon? Of course not! Local publicans will keep charging what they think they can get away with. Hopefully Spoons will increase the guest beer range then local publicans will have to do something. The Old Cross will still have real ale fans over a barrel until then.
Reply ID 50246
quote:I'm going to blame Weatherspoons for the imminent storms due in the next few days. [V]
Originally posted by shuntquote:Actually it might. Whetherspoons buy from remainder wholesalers because they can with their huge turnover.
Reply ID 50247
I never understand why Wetherspoons bother giving their pubs names , because as proved on here no one will ever call it The Six Templars but always Wetherspoons . The only exception to this rule seems to be The Hamilton Hall at Liverpool Street which for some reason always seems to get called by its name .
Reply ID 50250
The Moon on the Square in Northampton was known as that. The Gatehouse in Highgate. If JDW hadn't changed the name so many times to appease our local Knights who say Ni then we might refer to the pub by it's name.
Reply ID 50252
quote:Michael - I personally will miss your wit, repartee and general good conversation down the Horse. Personally haven’t seen the challenge of drinking v premium beer for some years (am getting old) , but I know many regulars that do. It’s a choice thing; as you suggest you can always vote with your wallet.. Of course if it subsidises my London Pride to a price less than the OX (which as a Free House can for some ridiculous reason known best to the Fullers Brewery buy at far less than a one of their own Houses) then I’m happy . But a good point made and with the Budget coming up next week those of us who like a pub, & not a Drinking Experience, could be on the backfoot..
Originally posted by Michaelquote:. Perhaps the advent of a Wetherspoon's in town will review extreme pricing like the one I mention.
Originally posted by shunt
[quote]Originally posted by Bengeo Bob
Transport costs?
Reply ID 50293
Popped in last night, Quite impressed, Yes it was busy but went to the end of the bar and got served straight away, even managed to get a table. A litte bit noisey (few people shouting) i suppose thats because of the vast space..Overall gets my vote Prices: A round of drinks in the woolpack £11.85 Same round of drinks in the spoons £8.01 Happy days.
Reply ID 50330
I popped in with my mates at the weekend. How can I explain it.......very nice, very big, very cheap, but very sterile. It was noisy, but it just didn't quite feel like a pub. It was fine, but I don't think I'll be rushing back. Can't quite work out why though.
Reply ID 50513
An interesting article for you from todays "Morning Advertiser" (trade press) http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=58307&dm_i=231862443
Reply ID 50553
Maybe, like some of the rest of us, they just dislike witherspoons aggresive commercial policies. I found out today that the manager of wetherspoons was asked to leave baroosh after consistently trying to 'poach' their staff. oooh, contraversial. !
Reply ID 50558
Admin - is this not worthy of the pubs and restaurents section ?
Reply ID 50567
Popped in last night for a pint of IPA. Although £1.79 is not to be scoffed at, I agree with Dude; nothing wrong with the place as such, but something missing. Perhaps it's just too cavernous to have any kind of atmosphere? Oh, and the beer was too cold.
Reply ID 50578
quote:Dobbin says beer was far too cold on Tuesday night. Should be served between 11-13 degrees c. But, apart from that he said it wasn't a bad pint.
Originally posted by Joby
Popped in last night for a pint of IPA. Although £1.79 is not to be scoffed at, I agree with Dude; nothing wrong with the place as such, but something missing. Perhaps it's just too cavernous to have any kind of atmosphere? Oh, and the beer was too cold.
Reply ID 50696
Visited the 6 Templars on saturday, but came streight back out again as couldn't even see the bar, about 10 people a breast, would have taken about half an hour to get served, my brother went in sunday night, not so busy but badly poured pint (inexperienced staff). will try again in few weeks might have got quieter by then.
Reply ID 50697
quote:All this talk about a packed bar means one thing. The other pubs are sooo expensive, everyone is putting up with queues like that.
Originally posted by M.O.G.
Visited the 6 Templars on saturday, but came streight back out again as couldn't even see the bar, about 10 people a breast, would have taken about half an hour to get served, my brother went in sunday night, not so busy but badly poured pint (inexperienced staff). will try again in few weeks might have got quieter by then.
Reply ID 50711
Bless them..Only run out of Coke and Lemonade on Saturday night until one of the staff popped out and picked up a load of bottles. Go to the end of the bar ,Furthest away and you get served very quickly. Did`nt have a problem getting served Saturday night.
Reply ID 50720
quote:You must have been lucky then getting served, i couldn't even get to the bar it was that packed saturday. Spoked to a friend who went in for a coffee in daytime but member of staff couldn't get a latte out of the machine??? more training? recruit staff that have experience of coffee machines and pouring a pint of guiness properly might help.
Originally posted by hertford born and bred
Bless them..Only run out of Coke and Lemonade on Saturday night until one of the staff popped out and picked up a load of bottles. Go to the end of the bar ,Furthest away and you get served very quickly. Did`nt have a problem getting served Saturday night.
Reply ID 50738
In fact Wetherspoons did have very good (award winning) training many, many, years ago. Then they cost-cutted. That's one (not admittedly the only) reason why they can sell so cheap. But you pays your mpney.......
Reply ID 50777
Well when i ask what "Bitter" they had on the young lad asked me if Cider was bitter...eeeekk Ended up with a overly cold pint of IPA. Is it me or is it like a airport departure lounge!!
Reply ID 50797
quote:Yes Yes and Yes. When you go upstairs to the V.I.P area (The toilet) its like looking over the runway (The wash).[:D]
Originally posted by Stan
Is it me or is it like a airport departure lounge!!
Reply ID 50805
Perhaps they should re-name it "terminal 1" (That is if the nights who say Ni will let them)
Reply ID 50806
I popped in last Sunday evening. Initially, I wasn't sure the door staff would let me in because of my appearance, but they did without issues and it seemed friendly if slightly sterile. WE got served relatively quickly, and the drinks were certainly cheaper than what I'd normally pay elsewhere in Hertford. It did seem fairly loud but we didn't have to overly strain to have conversation. I'll be going back. Not rushing back, but indeed I shall return.
Reply ID 50807
quote:If the food's as good as Panshanger Cafe, I'll be impressed! [:D]
Originally posted by jez_p
Perhaps they should re-name it "terminal 1" (That is if the nights who say Ni will let them)
Reply ID 51198
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Reply ID 51311
While waiting in traffic opposite Wetherspoons on Friday, I noticed the clientele that this place is attracting! I was discussed a group of 4 people sitting on a table at the entrance of Wetherspoons pints on table, hunched over their fags, coughing and spitting on the floor, dogs at their feet, is this what cheap beer brings to Hertford, now that Wetherspoons has applied for a music licence Hertford will not miss Zero's one bit!!
Reply ID 51312
quote:Yes, but it isn't cheap beer. It's the normal price of a beer everywhere else.
Originally posted by furrybunny
While waiting in traffic opposite Wetherspoons on Friday, I noticed the clientele that this place is attracting! I was discussed a group of 4 people sitting on a table at the entrance of Wetherspoons pints on table, hunched over their fags, coughing and spitting on the floor, dogs at their feet, is this what cheap beer brings to Hertford, now that Wetherspoons has applied for a music licence Hertford will not miss Zero's one bit!!
Reply ID 51318
It's not 'cheap' as such, it's 'competitive', or 'reasonable' [:)]
Reply ID 51333
I was in there with Mrs and Little Wrapper on Saturday afternoon for a bite to eat as I had just done my winning bets on the National - Woo Hoo!!! However, I was astonished by one family - Mother Father and Grandparents with a baby and a toddler. They allowed their baby to crawl all over the floor. The father and I use that term loosely followed suit and then the mother - again loose terminology - effed and ceed at people who looked on in astonishment. I was going to point out that ther could be glass on the floor but didn't want a glass pushed in my face. It is going to take a few months for the dregs of Hertford to be barred such as the Adams family described here but the Wetherspoons I think will be a useful alternative to the town's more traditional hosteleries.
Reply ID 51364
quote:[?][?][?]
Originally posted by Thoreau
Why have a menu when you can't have what's on it?
Reply ID 51460
If they just took the logical stance and banned everyone wearing jogging bottoms, caps, tracksuit tops, sovereign rings (I can't believe people still wear them!!) and white Reebok classics, that would get rid of 90% of the dodgy clientelle
Reply ID 51461
quote:Unfortuanatley, that would rule out half of the under 30 population of Hertford these days.
Originally posted by thefair1973
If they just took the logical stance and banned everyone wearing jogging bottoms, caps, tracksuit tops, sovereign rings (I can't believe people still wear them!!) and white Reebok classics, that would get rid of 90% of the dodgy clientelle
Reply ID 51465
quote:You are not wrong. Hertford is getting rapidly more pikey by the day!!!
Originally posted by Dudequote:Unfortuanatley, that would rule out half of the under 30 population of Hertford these days.
Originally posted by thefair1973
If they just took the logical stance and banned everyone wearing jogging bottoms, caps, tracksuit tops, sovereign rings (I can't believe people still wear them!!) and white Reebok classics, that would get rid of 90% of the dodgy clientelle
Reply ID 51470
quote:Sadly, its not just Hertford.
Originally posted by Wrapperquote:You are not wrong. Hertford is getting rapidly more pikey by the day!!!
Originally posted by Dudequote:Unfortuanatley, that would rule out half of the under 30 population of Hertford these days.
Originally posted by thefair1973
If they just took the logical stance and banned everyone wearing jogging bottoms, caps, tracksuit tops, sovereign rings (I can't believe people still wear them!!) and white Reebok classics, that would get rid of 90% of the dodgy clientelle
Reply ID 51473
quote:Eh! I wear Classics...
Originally posted by Dudequote:Sadly, its not just Hertford.
Originally posted by Wrapperquote:You are not wrong. Hertford is getting rapidly more pikey by the day!!!
Originally posted by Dudequote:Unfortuanatley, that would rule out half of the under 30 population of Hertford these days.
Originally posted by thefair1973
If they just took the logical stance and banned everyone wearing jogging bottoms, caps, tracksuit tops, sovereign rings (I can't believe people still wear them!!) and white Reebok classics, that would get rid of 90% of the dodgy clientelle
Reply ID 51475
quote:Perhaps a case of "res ipsa loquitur"[:)]
Originally posted by Brockmanquote:Eh! I wear Classics...
Originally posted by Dudequote:Sadly, its not just Hertford.
Originally posted by Wrapperquote:You are not wrong. Hertford is getting rapidly more pikey by the day!!!
Originally posted by Dudequote:Unfortuanatley, that would rule out half of the under 30 population of Hertford these days.
Originally posted by thefair1973
If they just took the logical stance and banned everyone wearing jogging bottoms, caps, tracksuit tops, sovereign rings (I can't believe people still wear them!!) and white Reebok classics, that would get rid of 90% of the dodgy clientelle
Reply ID 51480
What exactly is wrong with people in sportswear or heaven forbid people swearing in a pub? I think there are some fairly small minded attitudes around this issue. I think Wetherspoons has absolutely no atmosphere seems like its tried to hard to be too many different things, pub, bar, restaurant etc doing all of these in a very clinical, sterile way. I don't however think the diversity of those who go is an issue. (Seems to attract people of all age groups, and those wanting different nights/meals out.) The idea that Hertford is getting more "pikey" by the day I find pretty disgusting, what is a pikey? I worry you in fact mean people who do not look or act like you. I would rather spend time in a bar with people who are there enjoying themselves then with people who want to brand people based on their style of dress and probably your perception of their education.
Reply ID 51482
hmmmm.....There seems to be some concern about the word "pikey". It means one who carries a pike, an infantryman, a man who cannot afford a horse or sword. Like "chav" it is meant to be derogatory, but ironically, most commonly used by those it descibes. As for pubs and their clientelle, if a chain makes itself known for cheapness alone, it will attract a certain type. Most decerning people, rich or poor, would select a venue for other reasons, it's atmosphere, it's qualility and elect to have one less drink to keep the price affordable. Sportswear is for sport. During the eighties, some people started wearing it in the street. It didn't take long to realise that it's unattractive even when used for it's original purpose and on the best looking of persons. That generation can look back and easily see why they were laughed at, but there's a new wave that doesn't remember. It's a bit like going to the pub in flippers, mask and snorkel. Obviously the wrong outfit in the context.
Reply ID 51484
Swearing is a no-no in public, the majority of the public by FAR don't want to hear people swearing in public places. Just because you happen to be in a pub doesn't make an iota of difference.
Reply ID 51487
quote:I disagree Frenchie. there is invariably going to be swearing with a group of blokes in a pub and I am guilty of this. I would not do it if it was lunchtime with mums and kids but would at night in a pub with my mates or up football.
Originally posted by Frenchie
Swearing is a no-no in public, the majority of the public by FAR don't want to hear people swearing in public places. Just because you happen to be in a pub doesn't make an iota of difference.
Reply ID 51488
Wrapper - lets agree to disagree as we are drifting off topic...
Reply ID 51489
quote:Who says the two have to be mutually exclusive? Besides, who is doing the branding? The person who makes a comment when they spot a group of people who dress the same or the people themselves for wanting to all dress like they live in South LA? Given the choice, I'd rather have a pint with a free thinker than a sheep.
Originally posted by wideload I would rather spend time in a bar with people who are there enjoying themselves then with people who want to brand people based on their style of dress and probably your perception of their education.
Reply ID 51491
quote:I think it has been determined in another thread that a pub is not a public place. I can't think of any pub that I've been in where swearing would be frowned upon.
Originally posted by Frenchie
Swearing is a no-no in public, the majority of the public by FAR don't want to hear people swearing in public places. Just because you happen to be in a pub doesn't make an iota of difference.
Reply ID 51493
quote:Im amazed on both counts
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:I think it has been determined in another thread that a pub is not a public place. I can't think of any pub that I've been in where swearing would be frowned upon.
Originally posted by Frenchie
Swearing is a no-no in public, the majority of the public by FAR don't want to hear people swearing in public places. Just because you happen to be in a pub doesn't make an iota of difference.
Reply ID 51497
quote:Given the atmosphere in some pubs, one with no atmosphere would be a distinct advanatage. I've been in a couple of times and am very happy with the prices, comfort and facilities like toilets. It would not be my only choice to drink in town but it adds some welcome diversity. The new lanscaping around it also seems to be a good attempt to integrate the building into the town, when the trees are in full leaf it should look quite attractive there.
Originally posted by wideload
What exactly is wrong with people in sportswear or heaven forbid people swearing in a pub? I think there are some fairly small minded attitudes around this issue. I think Wetherspoons has absolutely no atmosphere seems like its tried to hard to be too many different things, pub, bar, restaurant etc doing all of these in a very clinical, sterile way. I don't however think the diversity of those who go is an issue. (Seems to attract people of all age groups, and those wanting different nights/meals out.) The idea that Hertford is getting more "pikey" by the day I find pretty disgusting, what is a pikey? I worry you in fact mean people who do not look or act like you. I would rather spend time in a bar with people who are there enjoying themselves then with people who want to brand people based on their style of dress and probably your perception of their education.
Reply ID 51505
quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmithquote:I think it has been determined in another thread that a pub is not a public place. Spot on John I can't think of any pub that I've been in where swearing would be frowned upon.
Originally posted by Frenchie
Swearing is a no-no in public, the majority of the public by FAR don't want to hear people swearing in public places. Just because you happen to be in a pub doesn't make an iota of difference.
Reply ID 51506
A publican may decide what to allow on his or her premises within the bounds of running a orderly house and subject to the recent new law. However, what is chosen to be allowed will determine the quality of the clients and character of the pub.
Reply ID 51508
quote:I can only assume you've led a very sheltered life!
Originally posted by Frenchie
Im amazed on both counts
Reply ID 51617
I was in the Duncombe on Friday night. Dead. Someone said the Woolpack is a ghost town too since WS opened. Anyone else experienced the witherspoon's potential effects?
Reply ID 51619
I was in the Duncombe last Friday night, it was very quiet, more quiet than I've ever seen it on a Friday before.
Reply ID 51631
oh no; thats very bad news!
Reply ID 51632
I was walking past the White Hart on friday night circa 10pm - 4 tables occupied, no-one standing at the bar.
Reply ID 51634
had a phone call from friends this mourning, asking us if we would like to meet them for breakfast, 10.30 ish, not really keen, having not been to witherspoons before, but we agreed to meet them. well, we were very suprised, very friendly staff, four of us had coffees etc, midd english breakfasts, toast and jams etc, £18 quid the lot, staff, food, surroundings, we all thought were first class, dont know what the place is like at night times, but will be going there again during the day, all in all, a nice suprise
Reply ID 51659
quote:Crikey! I might have to try it out now the crowds have gone. Used to be a lovely pub!
Originally posted by Frenchie
I was walking past the White Hart on friday night circa 10pm - 4 tables occupied, no-one standing at the bar.
Reply ID 55234
Hi, I have recently viewed one of the flats above the Job centre to buy which is the building next door to Zeros. The estate agent told me that the new zeros site was just going to be a bistro but obviously not! Does anyone know for sure if this is going to become a club or a bar or a restaurant and if it has been granted a late licence? I have also read that the Six Templars have applied for an entertainment licence, does anyone know anything about this? Many thanks
Reply ID 55235
quote:Welcome to the forum vic1721. Please could you post this as a new topic as it's not directly a specific discussion about The Six Templars. I would suggest you might want to consider the Housing thread. Good luck [:)]
Originally posted by vic1721
Hi, I have recently viewed one of the flats above the Job centre to buy which is the building next door to Zeros. The estate agent told me that the new zeros site was just going to be a bistro but obviously not! Does anyone know for sure if this is going to become a club or a bar or a restaurant and if it has been granted a late licence? I have also read that the Six Templars have applied for an entertainment licence, does anyone know anything about this? Many thanks
Reply ID 55237
I went into the Wetherspoons a few weeks ago during the afternoon - heavily pregnant with a toddler in tow. I tried to order 2 soft drinks - 1 for each of us. I was told in no uncertain terms that because i was not ordering food, i could not be served as I had a child with me. I could understand it if I was lining up shots on the bar but a lime and lemonade?? Purlease!!!
Reply ID 55238
My wife had a similar experience. There are about 7 in their NCT group (plus 7 babies) and were told unless they could guarantee all of them would be eating, they weren't allowed in. As some of them arrive late this might not be a possibility. I think their excuse is something to do with responsible drinking, which doesn't sit too well with extremely cheap alcohol and 3 for 2 offers.
Reply ID 55246
quote:It's more likely to be to do with the circumstances in which children may be allowed to be in a "bar", i.e. for the consumption of a full and substantial meal.
Originally posted by Paul Simon
My wife had a similar experience. There are about 7 in their NCT group (plus 7 babies) and were told unless they could guarantee all of them would be eating, they weren't allowed in. As some of them arrive late this might not be a possibility. I think their excuse is something to do with responsible drinking, which doesn't sit too well with extremely cheap alcohol and 3 for 2 offers.
Reply ID 55250
quote:I hope that you complained BengeoBabe? If you did, what was the reply?
Originally posted by Bengeobabe
I went into the Wetherspoons a few weeks ago during the afternoon - heavily pregnant with a toddler in tow. I tried to order 2 soft drinks - 1 for each of us. I was told in no uncertain terms that because i was not ordering food, i could not be served as I had a child with me. I could understand it if I was lining up shots on the bar but a lime and lemonade?? Purlease!!!
Reply ID 55258
[/quote] I hope that you complained BengeoBabe? If you did, what was the reply? [/quote] I know i should have done but it was a hot day, i was 8.5 months pregnant and went into labour shortly afterwards, so it slipped my mind! I shall vote with my feet in future [:p][:p]
Reply ID 55264
quote:Shunt's right. It's to do with the insurance they have on the building. They are only insured against under 18s hurting themselves if they were on the premises consuming food. It's a quirk of the law because of it being a place that only over 18s are normally in.
Originally posted by shuntquote:It's more likely to be to do with the circumstances in which children may be allowed to be in a "bar", i.e. for the consumption of a full and substantial meal.
Originally posted by Paul Simon
My wife had a similar experience. There are about 7 in their NCT group (plus 7 babies) and were told unless they could guarantee all of them would be eating, they weren't allowed in. As some of them arrive late this might not be a possibility. I think their excuse is something to do with responsible drinking, which doesn't sit too well with extremely cheap alcohol and 3 for 2 offers.
Reply ID 55267
Well that's fair enough. It must be my loathing of all things Wetherspoons that makes me think the worse of them. Other pubs in Hertford seem to accomodate parents with babies/children in a more reasonable way than Wetherspoons. I suppose it could be that their insurance is different.
Reply ID 55268
quote:The magistrates license granted may be different. However, it must also be said that giving birth does not give you any automatic or special rights of any kind. If a business doesn't want children, I see nothing wrong with them saying so. Personally, I seek out places where children are not allowed.
Originally posted by Paul Simon
Well that's fair enough. It must be my loathing of all things Wetherspoons that makes me think the worse of them. Other pubs in Hertford seem to accomodate parents with babies/children in a more reasonable way than Wetherspoons. I suppose it could be that their insurance is different.
Reply ID 55269
You're absolutly right. Some people prefer not to have the distraction of children when enjoying a drink, especially if they're playing up. A bit like the 2 people sitting next to me when I went into Wetherspoons for a bite to eat. One was just finishing off his first bottle of wine of the day, and the other had had so much Guinness he was finding it difficult to walk straight. It's a beautiful sight to see at 11.45 in the morning.
Reply ID 55272
If you're after somewhere child friendly, go to the Barge. I always take my daughter there when in town and feed her whilst enjoying a nice Guinness. SHe enjoys staring out the window at the ducks, so everyone's a winner!
Reply ID 58632
Looks like 99p pints coming to spoons: http://news.uk.msn.com/business/article.aspx?cp-documentid=12386848 Blimey! Havent seen pound a pint since uni days!
Reply ID 58690
The 99p beer sold out suspiciosly fast last night. WWhich is good work considering how long it takes to get served. everyone was after cheap beer!
Reply ID 58707
the staffing levels are a bit of an issue during the day in Wetherspoons. They only have one person on the bar, so took an eternity to order today
Reply ID 58787
that seems stupid! I know someone who applied and didnt even hear back from them, they really arent helping themselves