Topic ID 457
I live on the Millmead Way Development and was recently been very pleased to hear that the traffic wardens had returned. The reason being that for the last 6-9 months we have had yellow lines to stop British Rail users parking on the estate, but however nobody to enforce them. Yesterday seemed to be the 1st day that I returned home in the evening to see that the perps had been fined! Yeehaaa jump for joy!. However imagine my annoyance when this morning when I saw one of the same guilty parties walking from further in the estate where the yellow lines do not reach. (incidentally this chap drives a top of the range BMW M3 convertible 51 plate) Apparently when approached "he has every right to park down there" Do we have every right to let the air out of every one of his low profile tires? Any Ideas?
Reply ID 3803
do it[}:)]
Reply ID 3806
Or, on a slightly more mild-mannered route, contact the council and tell them about the problem, and ask if they will consider extending the yellow lines.
Reply ID 3809
They'll probably add Millmead Way to the list of proposed residents parking schemes and then you'll end up having to pay to park outside your own home.
Reply ID 3811
Steve, you are almost right. One thing you can rely on is that you WILL pay .. but outside your own home?? Not on Folly Island, that's for sure. As it stands you will pay and still not be able to park anywhere near your home after 9.00pm.
Reply ID 3812
quote:Sounds like he does have every right to park there, especially if there are no yellow lines. Not alot that can be done, short of getting the council to extend the lines. At least the wardens seem to be doing a good job stopping people from parking where they are not allowed to!
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
I live on the Millmead Way Development and was recently been very pleased to hear that the traffic wardens had returned. The reason being that for the last 6-9 months we have had yellow lines to stop British Rail users parking on the estate, but however nobody to enforce them. Yesterday seemed to be the 1st day that I returned home in the evening to see that the perps had been fined! Yeehaaa jump for joy!. However imagine my annoyance when this morning when I saw one of the same guilty parties walking from further in the estate where the yellow lines do not reach. (incidentally this chap drives a top of the range BMW M3 convertible 51 plate) Apparently when approached "he has every right to park down there" Do we have every right to let the air out of every one of his low profile tires? Any Ideas?
Reply ID 3814
the only way you ever have any right to park outside your own home unfortunately is to have a drive or allocated parking unless you choose to pay for a permit scheme. Extremely frustrating I admit! [:(!]
Reply ID 3815
Frustrating, yes. Especially when parking space is taken by people using train stations, hospitals, etc. But the same freedom to park means that your friends and relatives can park when they visit you. I also get a bit frustrated if cars are left unused taking up parking spaces for a long time. But if they are legally parked I accept there's nothing wrong with it. Unlike some people where I live. 6 cars have been vandalised in recent years. All parked in the same place.
Reply ID 3816
The other frustrating thing I find is when one household seems to have a zillion cars to it's name!!
Reply ID 3819
If there are no restrictions in place then the motorist does indeed have every right to park there. If there are no restrictions then presumably there is no problem with parking in that place at that time. So what's your problem Victor? As you say yourself, the people who were parked illegally have all been seen off. It sounds like the motorist in question is at least now trying to stay within the law.....
Reply ID 3821
I don't know the extent of the problem in Victors case but had similar experiences in my last home. I lived within walking distance of a train station and on a road with no parking restrictions. In the morning I would usually leave for work before the main rush hour traffic and train commuters. After this my road would fill with the cars left by train passengers. The majority of these were still there when I returned so I would usually have to park far away from my home.
Reply ID 3822
quote:And we have the same problem on my road. There's one house in particular which is occupied by 2 people. However they currently have 5 cars parked on the road. 2 of these are for the daughter who is not there and the son's car was 'dumped' on the road (legally!) for months recently while he was away (he doesn't live there either!)[V]
Originally posted by smileyoriley
the only way you ever have any right to park outside your own home unfortunately is to have a drive or allocated parking unless you choose to pay for a permit scheme. Extremely frustrating I admit! [:(!]
Reply ID 3823
and people that have a car each plus work vehicles blah blah oh I could go on for hours! [V][^] my ex-neighbour had a van that he squeezed so much to get in a particular spot so much he completely wrecked the hedge with it. Luckily for me they moved out not long ago! Yippee!! [:D]
Reply ID 3826
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If there are no restrictions in place then the motorist does indeed have every right to park there. If there are no restrictions then presumably there is no problem with parking in that place at that time. So what's your problem Victor? As you say yourself, the people who were parked illegally have all been seen off. It sounds like the motorist in question is at least now trying to stay within the law..... My problem is Mike, is that if everybody that used the staion had the same bad attitude as the motorist in question and by the sounds of it you, they would all park on the estate, resulting in absolute chaos for the residents that actually live there. Fair enough if there was not a suitable car park near to the station, but in this case there are actaully 2 perfect good ones. I live in a private close, off of where the yellow lines are, so the problem does not affect me directly any more, other than the increased volume of traffic driving in and out morning and evening. However I would be pretty p***ed off if I lived further in and someone kept parking their car outside my front door every morning to use the station. I wonder Mike how you would feel if you or your wife could not park near enough to your front door after you had done your weekly shop?
Reply ID 3827
the ony way you can park outside your own home is if you are disabled...lets face it,if you pay road tax you can park were you like..I lived in WX near a station all the people in my St.went to the council about the parking problem,whithin six months we all had to pay to park in our own St.!GGrrrr off off to lose a limb[xx(]so the best thing to do is bite your lip our it will cost you!
Reply ID 3828
No Del, It wont cost me, I have a drive and live in a private close. But I do have sympathy with my fellow residents and get very annoyed with "the law says I can park here, so I will even if I nab the parking space of a person that lives here and cause chaos in doing so" attitude. Especially if they are driving car that costs in excess of £40-50k but cannot be bothered to pay for a weekly car park permit in the BR car park. Yes I know its £3.50 a day (I used to have to pay it at Broxbourne)and its a rip off but so is the price of a train ticket and no I am not jealous of people with expensive cars. Maybe if BR only charged £1 per day people would be happier to cough up. I recon that the car park could take 200 cars so I work that out to be around £52,000 PA. Not bad for a bit of waste land! While we are on the subject, I believe the Sele Arms car park is about to go up to £3.00 Pd as well. But I do agree, why do you have to pay for resident permits, when you already pay Road tax and grossly over priced council tax.
Reply ID 3831
quote:I can't see your point at all, Victor. You go somewhere in the car, and find you have a choice between paying for a parking space, or parking somewhere right next it, perfectly legally, and completely free. Which do you choose? It's a no-brainer. And the price of your your car is really has nothing to do with it. Why should someone fork out when they don't have to? If given the choice, would you?
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
No Del, It wont cost me, I have a drive and live in a private close. But I do have sympathy with my fellow residents and get very annoyed with "the law says I can park here, so I will even if I nab the parking space of a person that lives here and cause chaos in doing so" attitude. Especially if they are driving car that costs in excess of £40-50k but cannot be bothered to pay for a weekly car park permit in the BR car park. Yes I know its £3.50 a day (I used to have to pay it at Broxbourne)and its a rip off but so is the price of a train ticket and no I am not jealous of people with expensive cars. Maybe if BR only charged £1 per day people would be happier to cough up. I recon that the car park could take 200 cars so I work that out to be around £52,000 PA. Not bad for a bit of waste land! While we are on the subject, I believe the Sele Arms car park is about to go up to £3.00 Pd as well. But I do agree, why do you have to pay for resident permits, when you already pay Road tax and grossly over priced council tax.
Reply ID 3832
I admit, most people wouldn't pay to park if they coud help it, but when it intrudes where people live which is completely residential, this is irritating. At the end of the day, one of the things people consider when taking on a property is parking (if they drive) & if you end up not being able to park because people will walk a mile to the train station instead of paying to park next to it, it is frustrating!
Reply ID 3833
I live very near Hertford East Station and the parking is horrendous now the yellow lines have been installed. There is 10 parking places provided for train users.... If it wasnt for the commuters parking on and near our street we would have at least 10+ places freed up for residents. On this basis i am quite happy to pay for a permit system.
Reply ID 3834
yep i fought the law and the law won[B)]
Reply ID 3836
but at the same time, the brain says 'why the hell should I have to pay extra to park where I live in a residential area' when you prob ablready pay a high band of council tax! grrrrr[:(!][V][xx(]
Reply ID 3837
With regards to Hertford East, I think that before any residents parking schemes are implemented in the surrounding streets, Network Rail or whoever should be obliged to provide adequate parking. There's a huge area of disused land they own next to the station that would accomodate most of their customers.
Reply ID 3838
quote:Del.......did you live in Queens Road, WX?
Originally posted by del
the ony way you can park outside your own home is if you are disabled...lets face it,if you pay road tax you can park were you like..I lived in WX near a station all the people in my St.went to the council about the parking problem,whithin six months we all had to pay to park in our own St.!GGrrrr off off to lose a limb[xx(]so the best thing to do is bite your lip our it will cost you!
Reply ID 3839
Network Rail have been looking into parking at HE station for over 2 years now....dont hold your breath..
Reply ID 3840
yes ewoowar i did,dam its brought back bad memories!i flatly refuse to pay to park in my own St.its a princable thing[}:)]
Reply ID 3842
Joby, if you read my message properly you would have realised that I used to pay for the BR car park at Broxbourne. I chose to live where I do as it was very convenient for the Station. If people want to avoid paying for station parking, there are sevral houses for sale in the area, may I suggest a vist to Stephen Oates or Shepards as they seem to be the appointed agent for the majority of them You are obviously one of these people that does not care about intruding on where decent people live. Agreed I would chose to park for free, but only as long as it did not intrude on people homes. Every mans home is a Castle.
Reply ID 3843
quote:So did I. I don't recall any post-industrial goths but I wasn't there long. I referred to the parking problem in Queens Road earlier in this thread.
Originally posted by del
yes ewoowar i did,dam its brought back bad memories!i flatly refuse to pay to park in my own St.its a princable thing[}:)]
Reply ID 3844
quote:"I used to have to pay it at Broxbourne" is what you said, which makes it sounds like you didn't have a choice. My apologies if I got the wrong end of the stick. That said, I'm pretty sure I didn't accuse you of anything, I just gave an example.
Originally posted by Victor Meldrew
Joby, if you read my message properly you would have realised that I used to pay for the BR car park at Broxbourne.
quote:Indeed. And knowing that it was convenient for the station, you must have also realised when you moved to the estate that commuter parking was likely to be an issue.
I chose to live where I do as it was very convenient for the Station.
quote:Seeing as we've never met, that's a bit unfair. I actually live pretty near you, and have similar issues with parking on my street and in the surrounding streets - if people can't park on Millmead, they are fully prepared to try a little further away. I just think that there are more serious problems in Bengeo - such as the amount of pollution and noise caused by the rat-run, and the speed of vehicles hacking along Beane Road, that are more important than parking.
You are obviously one of these people that does not care about intruding on where decent people live.
quote:How noble of you. If only we were all so righteous [}:)]
Agreed I would chose to park for free, but only as long as it did not intrude on people homes.
Reply ID 3846
Ewoowar do you recall a big red V8 American car?it was me that caused most of the parking problems there![}:)][;)]
Reply ID 3848
Unfortunately, as long as more and more people drive their cars everywhere, and places like hospitals and stations insist on charging through the nose for parking, this problem is only going to get worse. I will probably be visiting the QE2 Hospital for most of next week and I have no intention of paying the daily charge every day to park in their car parks, so I will probably park on the road nearby. I can walk from a nearby street to the wards, but walking from my house is a little bit too far. Actually posted by Jez_P My Wife has been using my PC and not logged out[:(!]
Reply ID 3850
Nobody is denying that most us like to get things for free but parking outside someone's house you don't know all day every day is a bit off methinks
Reply ID 3852
It looks like there are only a couple of people on here that disagree with me, which is probably why the Station car park looks almost full every day. If Joby lives near to me and does not have problem with cars parking outside his house, maybe he would be so kind to give me his address and I will send the said accused round to park there! With regards to the Rat Run, I could not agree more. I have to queue up for up to 10 mins at the round about at the north station. The only possible solution is to block off the road 1/2 way like they have done on Port Vale. They only problem with that would be people that lived either side would probably moan as would have to use St Andrews street to get to Bengeo. If we want to get started about speed of cars driving along Beane Rd(I also agree they are too fast) we might as well give a mention to "Strange" Church goers at the bottom of the hill that park their MPV's right down Beane Road several nights a week and on Sunday afternoons. There will be an accident soon, me thinks.
Reply ID 3854
I wonder if the people that disagree have the same issues Victor.....methinks prob not. Either that or they have way way too much patience! [;)]
Reply ID 3870
Victor Meldrew wrote: "if everybody that used the staion had the same bad attitude as the motorist in question and by the sounds of it you..." and "I wonder Mike how you would feel if you or your wife could not park near enough to your front door after you had done your weekly shop?" Well I might have the "bad attitude" of chosing to park anywhere that's legal, Victor. But at least I don't make insulting assumptions about people I have never even met. As to my own parking situation - as others have said, Bengeo is at least as bad as anywhere else. Your gripe should be with the council for not installing restrictions if you are really so fed up with things on behalf of your near-neighbours, not with motorists who obey the law. Personally, if I were you I would just go and get a life.
Reply ID 3871
As for letting the air out of his tyres. I believe that is totally legal, as long as you don't damage the car. However, it doesn't sound like the guy is breaking the law, so you could argue its victimisation. I used to live in Bluecoats, and the public abuse of the parking was very bad. Letting the air out of tyres seemed to get the message across.
Reply ID 3874
quote:Unfortunately letting the air out of someone elses tyres is illegal. Internal damage can be caused by the weight of the car and the wheel resting upon it for prolonged periods. Tyres are not designed to spend long periods under half a ton of car while deflated for a long time. So the criminal damage is unlikely to be measurable until the owner inflates the tyre and gets a blow out at 70 mph. While, admittedly, I am the sort of petty minded, malicious individual who would do such a thing, I would be aware of the possibility of inflicting it upon someone with equal propensity toward such an act or who was even worse. Adding this to the possibility of damaging the tyre and causing a blow out that kills the driver when it's re-inflated and it doesn't seem worthhwhile. Personally, I would be far more subtle. Also, if you deflate the tyres of someone who becomes vengeful you could very quickly get into a very ugly situation and one which you started.
Originally posted by Dude
As for letting the air out of his tyres. I believe that is totally legal, as long as you don't damage the car. However, it doesn't sound like the guy is breaking the law, so you could argue its victimisation. I used to live in Bluecoats, and the public abuse of the parking was very bad. Letting the air out of tyres seemed to get the message across.
Reply ID 3878
quote:A policeman told me it is legal, as long as you don't personally damage it. i.e, don't let All the air out. Not that I'm condoning it!
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Unfortunately letting the air out of someone elses tyres is illegal. Internal damage can be caused by the weight of the car and the wheel resting upon it for prolonged periods. Tyres are not designed to spend long periods under half a ton of car while deflated for a long time. So the criminal damage is unlikely to be measurable until the owner inflates the tyre and gets a blow out at 70 mph. While, admittedly, I am the sort of petty minded, malicious individual who would do such a thing, I would be aware of the possibility of inflicting it upon someone with equal propensity toward such an act or who was even worse. Adding this to the possibility of damaging the tyre and causing a blow out that kills the driver when it's re-inflated and it doesn't seem worthhwhile. Personally, I would be far more subtle. Also, if you deflate the tyres of someone who becomes vengeful you could very quickly get into a very ugly situation and one which you started.
Originally posted by Dude
As for letting the air out of his tyres. I believe that is totally legal, as long as you don't damage the car. However, it doesn't sound like the guy is breaking the law, so you could argue its victimisation. I used to live in Bluecoats, and the public abuse of the parking was very bad. Letting the air out of tyres seemed to get the message across.
Reply ID 3881
quote:Ahah......."don't let All the air out."..........the significant point. I wonder if you're allowed to superglue the dust caps back on afterwards. Told you I was petty and malicious![}:)]
Originally posted by Dudequote:A policeman told me it is legal, as long as you don't personally damage it. i.e, don't let All the air out. Not that I'm condoning it!
Originally posted by Ewoowarquote:Unfortunately letting the air out of someone elses tyres is illegal. Internal damage can be caused by the weight of the car and the wheel resting upon it for prolonged periods. Tyres are not designed to spend long periods under half a ton of car while deflated for a long time. So the criminal damage is unlikely to be measurable until the owner inflates the tyre and gets a blow out at 70 mph. While, admittedly, I am the sort of petty minded, malicious individual who would do such a thing, I would be aware of the possibility of inflicting it upon someone with equal propensity toward such an act or who was even worse. Adding this to the possibility of damaging the tyre and causing a blow out that kills the driver when it's re-inflated and it doesn't seem worthhwhile. Personally, I would be far more subtle. Also, if you deflate the tyres of someone who becomes vengeful you could very quickly get into a very ugly situation and one which you started.
Originally posted by Dude
As for letting the air out of his tyres. I believe that is totally legal, as long as you don't damage the car. However, it doesn't sound like the guy is breaking the law, so you could argue its victimisation. I used to live in Bluecoats, and the public abuse of the parking was very bad. Letting the air out of tyres seemed to get the message across.
Reply ID 3910
Mike thinks I should go and get a life, May I point out the fact that you are a SENIOR MEMBER with several posts on this site. If the cap fits........... Still its been very interesting to see different peoples opinions on this topic. May I point out that letting the air out of his tyres was typed whilst I had my tounge in my cheek and is not somthing that I would suggest. However I do feel that there are too many people in this world that are too quick to stick 2 fingers up to others and adopt the "Im alright jack" attitute. Maybe if people started thinking how their actions affected others, rather than what is easier/cheaper for themselves this country would be a better place. Anyway, does anyone know the way to Utopia or where I can by a plane ticket. Thanks for all of your replys, even Mikes.
Reply ID 3911
Oh, just before I leave this thread for good. If you do not make insulting comments Mike, is telling me to go and get a life a compliment???
Reply ID 3935
You are very strange, Victor Meldrew. If you can't accept other people's points of view without resorting to snide language, perhaps this site isn't the place for you. As for my being a 'senior member', what's your point exactly? Are you drawing the same inferences about other people who contribute to DHO? Even the people who seem to agree with your misanthropic views? I'm not saying any more on this strand either; it's good to debate with (almost) anyone, but not a childish, unpleasant fool.
Reply ID 3936
Top stuff!
Reply ID 3937
As both Mike and Victor have both said they're not saying any more on this; and given the fact that it's not heading in a constructive direction, I'm locking this topic. Thanks everyone for your contributions.