Topic ID 4739
Today, I've witnessed (again) several cyclists ignore the traffic lights at Old Cross, and wizz across while on red. To me, this seems a completely stupid and unsafe thing to do - especially at such a busy junction. Why on earth do people do it here?
Reply ID 67804
Do not fear Arty. This is not an unusual phenomenon. I have conducted a survey along Riverside and concluded that at least 91% of all cyclists accross all ages and gender are visually impaired. That is about the percentage who cycle along Riverside despite the 'No Cycling' warning sign at head height; and the 'No Cycling' sign painted on the footpath for those who look down rather than forward. Some actually dismount and walk themselves and their bikes along the path. I do try and say thank if they are travelling towards me.
Reply ID 67808
There's no excuse for it, it's stupid and it makes other cyclists angry too. Unfortunately it's now so dangerous to ride a bike, you have to be both brave and slightly bonkers to do it! More emphasis needs to be put on making roads safer for cycling and encourage more people to do it. I've had enough of feeling like I'm risking my life when I go want to pop down to the shops.
Reply ID 67813
quote:Agreed - but part of me enjoys the challenge of cycling in traffic - never knowing if the next vehicle will be the one that gets you. [B)] The only thing to do is make yourself as visible as possible. I must admit, I have jumped red lights on a bike from time to time, but only if it wouldn't affect or upset any other road user.
Originally posted by homeless
[quote]Originally posted by dennismoore
Unfortunately it's now so dangerous to ride a bike, you have to be both brave and slightly bonkers to do it! More emphasis needs to be put on making roads safer for cycling and encourage more people to do it.
Reply ID 67814
I have had this happen often in front of me at Old Cross, in all directions on Red Lights it is so dangerous anywhere but there it is only time before someone gets injured doing it. My other pet hate is car and van drives negotiating the lights whilst on a hand held mobile phone, also against traffic laws but they still do it! All we need is a driver on a mobile to hit a cyclist ignoring a red light, who would be most in the wrong then I wonder?
Reply ID 67827
quote:Watching lard-arsed motorists seeth at traffic lights while I whizz straight through on my Bianchi is one of the joys of cycling, IMHO. [8D][;)]
Originally posted by Arty
Today, I've witnessed (again) several cyclists ignore the traffic lights at Old Cross, and wizz across while on red.
Reply ID 67831
quote:Does not being lard-arsed and not prone to seethe entitle me to do the same? What about on a motorcycle? Oh, and can I have my Bianchi lightly toasted with olive oil and balsamic please? [:)]
Originally posted by Rachelquote:Watching lard-arsed motorists seeth at traffic lights while I whizz straight through on my Bianchi is one of the joys of cycling, IMHO. [8D][;)
Originally posted by Arty
Today, I've witnessed (again) several cyclists ignore the traffic lights at Old Cross, and wizz across while on red.
Reply ID 67832
you'll love the recent story in london then, that they're going to start allowing cyclists to go the wrong way down one way streets. :o)
Reply ID 67833
quote:Why do you consider it so dangerous? Have you actually witnessed it cause an accident? Have you ever witnessed a cyclist being crushed at traffic lights by a vehicle. In my view it is safer for the cyclists to go through (carefully) on red. There is evidence that this is actually safer. Check your facts.
Originally posted by Arty
Today, I've witnessed (again) several cyclists ignore the traffic lights at Old Cross, and wizz across while on red. To me, this seems a completely stupid and unsafe thing to do - especially at such a busy junction. Why on earth do people do it here?
Reply ID 67837
Freddie; as a cyclist I do go through red lights occasionally when it is safe to do so. What I would say is that to go through without knowing the lights sequence and realising the risks is sheer folly. As a regular cyclist in London I see too many go through on the inside of lorries and buses that are waiting at roundabouts and traffic lights where the risk is clearly too high. And yes, I have witnessed a cyclist go under a lorry at Old St Roundabout and been involved in unpicking a few more from lorry/bus wheel arches so it does happen regularly. By all means take the risk but to advocate it as a safer option is wrong.
Reply ID 67841
quote:This is why we are so ahead of the game in Hertford. A walk through Maidenhead Street would evidence that this scheme is already working well in the county town.[:o)]
you'll love the recent story in london then, that they're going to start allowing cyclists to go the wrong way down one way streets
Reply ID 67844
quote:OK let's just agreee that it is **sometimes** safer for cyclists to go through a red light to avoid then getting crushed when the lights change. I just don't agree with the view that cyclists are always wrong to do this. They are not.
Originally posted by Golden
Freddie; as a cyclist I do go through red lights occasionally when it is safe to do so. What I would say is that to go through without knowing the lights sequence and realising the risks is sheer folly. As a regular cyclist in London I see too many go through on the inside of lorries and buses that are waiting at roundabouts and traffic lights where the risk is clearly too high. And yes, I have witnessed a cyclist go under a lorry at Old St Roundabout and been involved in unpicking a few more from lorry/bus wheel arches so it does happen regularly. By all means take the risk but to advocate it as a safer option is wrong.
Reply ID 67847
My goodness. This is madness... Red light means STOP do NOT cross cyclist or not, you risk others who are coming from another direction legitimately. I too this morning witnessed a motorcyclist go through the red lights at Old Cross. If it was meant to be a free for all, take away all traffic lights and shut your eyes when you drive. I worked in London too and in middle of Moorgate, whilst crossing when it was right for me to do so, a pedal cyclist narrowly missed mowing me down.. only because another fellow commuter grabbed me and stopped the cyclist and me having a very bad collison. Red Light Means STOP.. end of it![:(!]
Reply ID 67848
I'm not sure why people have this strange perception of cyclists as kamikaze machines. I cycle carefully across the junctions when the traffic lights are red, giving due and careful consideration to any pedestrians that are crossing. It's much safer than trying to battle the cars when the lights turn green, and I take up less space than if I just got off and walked the bike across (or isn't that allowed either?). [?]
Reply ID 67851
I give up.. carefully or not you're going through a red light. If I told you that on Pelican Crossings and those with lollipop ladies/gents on that 26 prosecutions in Herts this year, for driving through the crossing them when kids were on the crossing as I found out yesterday, you can understand why red lights mean STOP. How can people think going carefully or not is right???? You encourage other road users to think they have the "right" to gingerly move off on a red light and somebody is going to get hurt. I am a cyclist too and I don't go through a light and I park myself at the front of the car rather than the side if I think I may be squashed at a junction...
Reply ID 67852
Ted unfortunately not all cyclists share your intelligence and consideration when it comes to other road users. In my experience as a cyclist, pedestrian and a motorist it is a lack of awareness of others that causes accidents and not simply sticking to the rules. pedestrians regularly cross at traffic lights without looking for cyclists or simply ingnoring them - there is no law against this but it can be dangerous and has brought me into conflict with a few of them. Many motorists completely ignore the cycle box at junctions put there specifically to allow Drama Queen and others to pull up in front of the cars and take off safely. Many motorists do not signal their intentions at any time. The list goes on but my basic point is its the rider's awareness that makes cycling safe for themselves or others - and that some pay scant regard to their own and others safety.
Reply ID 67855
I've been hit by cyclists going through red lights in the City. Not couriers though, people on their way to/from their offices. When I complain about it I'm usually met with a barrage of verbal abuse. I even had one appear from nowhere so close to me he rode over my foot, then tell me to f off. So, I hope any cyclist that ignores the rules of the road gets what's coming to them, then perhaps they can seethe whilst everyone else laughs and points at them for being the arrogant idiots that they are. I say all this as a weekend cyclist [:)]
Reply ID 67857
As usual, there's no group innocent of their part in causing the problem. Cyclists have become radicalist and aggressive, their arrogance boosted by some discussion of climate change. Car drivers have a habit of cursing, ignoring, or trying to displace every other road user. Just to make it worse, there are severe 'safety' errors by authorities in encouraging such things as cycle helmets and cycle lanes, without sufficient reseach. It all contributes to poor road user habits and the potential for cycle accidents.
Reply ID 67858
Hence the point of this post... I am sorry red lights should NOT Be breached by cyclists, horseriders, pedestrians or anyone else.. Cyclists nor other road users should breach or be "immune" from stopping at lights.....
Reply ID 67859
quote:Hang on, aren't you "fare dodging Rachel"? I guess rules just don't apply to you.
Originally posted by Rachel Watching lard-arsed motorists seeth at traffic lights while I whizz straight through on my Bianchi is one of the joys of cycling, IMHO. [8D][;)]
Reply ID 67861
Interesting article from the BBC that suggests women may be more prone to being killed by lorries than men because they don't jump red lights. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8296971.stm
Reply ID 67862
James - a very interesting article and some extremely good advice, especially the bit about wearing a woman's wig if you want more room! In the past I have also come across some interesting research about cycle helmets and after wearing one for a while am now a committed helmet free rider. In an ideal world none of this would be an issue but until this utopia comes along I guess I'll just have to look after number one - whilst avoiding coming into unnecessary conflict with other road users of course. Ding ding!
Reply ID 67871
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67872
quote:Ditto. For a fuller round-up of views it may be worth referring to thread from the last time we ran over this subject. (see what I did there.. ;-) [url="http://www.hertford.net/yoursay/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=3096"]Cyclist's Rules[/url]
Originally posted by Golden
In an ideal world none of this would be an issue but until this utopia comes along I guess I'll just have to look after number one - whilst avoiding coming into unnecessary conflict with other road users of course...
Reply ID 67874
quote:The helmet thing is always a contentious issue and I can understand why some riders don't wear them. However, having come off a couple of times - once in the snow (won't be doing that again) and once on the deepest gravel driveway I've ever seen - I've always been glad I've had my head protected having smacked it hard on the ground.
Originally posted by Golden
James - a very interesting article and some extremely good advice, especially the bit about wearing a woman's wig if you want more room! In the past I have also come across some interesting research about cycle helmets and after wearing one for a while am now a committed helmet free rider. In an ideal world none of this would be an issue but until this utopia comes along I guess I'll just have to look after number one - whilst avoiding coming into unnecessary conflict with other road users of course. Ding ding!
Reply ID 67875
Mr P - I think that's a good idea for motorists too.
Reply ID 67877
quote:I think it's a good idea - seriously: make the maximum national speed limit 10mph and restrict the ability of cars to accelerate accordingly. Say 0-10mph in 15 seconds. The world would be a much better place. Genuinely [:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67878
quote:And have to display a license plate so that when they run a red light they can be identitfied by the cameras.
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67879
quote:I agree - we pay road tax to use the roads as car users, why not tax the cyclist? Can cyclists please stop using pavements too [:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67881
quote:Most of us already pay motor tax anyway. I actually think cyclists should be given a discount on their road tax for choosing not to use their cars as often.
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:I agree - we pay road tax to use the roads as car users, why not tax the cyclist? Can cyclists please stop using pavements too [:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67882
Perhaps not as far off as you might think: [url="http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/latestnews/-Government-in-talks-over.5642372.jp"]Scottish Government in talks over taxing cyclists[/url]
Reply ID 67885
quote:So you don't want cyclists to use roads or pavements? You've also incorrectly assumed that motorists and cyclists are two separate groups. They're not. A lot of cyclists also own cars, paying the same amount of road fund licence as other motorists. They just choose to ride bikes. And remember for each bike you see each morning that's one less car in that traffic jam you're sitting in.
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:I agree - we pay road tax to use the roads as car users, why not tax the cyclist? Can cyclists please stop using pavements too [:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67891
I'd be happy to pay tax on my bike so long as it was discounted from my car tax. The idea is completely imrpactical (like dog licensing) and flies in the face of many of the governments priorities of people getting more exercise plus the environmental agenda. Though it may be a good way to P*ss off Boris and DC as a parting shot!!
Reply ID 67892
quote:That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it????
Originally posted by shunt
Cyclists have become radicalist and aggressive, their arrogance boosted by some discussion of climate change.
Reply ID 67893
Maybe an alternative to a tax could be adding a tax on to the sale of all new bikes, say £10. As long as it went towards the funding of proper cycle lanes, not just a strip of green paint in the gutter no wider than the width of my handlebars.
Reply ID 67897
I find that the sweeping generalisations are adding to my enjoyment of this thread!!! I will always stop at pedestrian crossings whether on my bike or in my car but I do take particular delight in getting as close to pedestrians who don't look when they cross the road. The majority of cyclists are safe and respectful of other road users but some do think they have a divine right to be arrogant - I tend to think they're probably like that whether they're on their bike or in their car. Cyclists going across red lights are very noticeable; has anybody counted the motorists that go across red/amber at Old Cross every morning?
Reply ID 67899
quote:Not in the context. I think it unlikely that a cyclist of 30yrs ago would consider it their right to ignore signals and use pavements, not have lights after dusk, etc. and yet these things have become commonplace. I am a cyclist myself, but I don't consider myself as saving the world, or a special case who's exempt from road rules. I'm just a bloke on a bike with the same right to expect, and duty to observe, the courtesy required to be a responsible road user as everyone else.
Originally posted by Stevequote:That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation isn't it????
Originally posted by shunt
Cyclists have become radicalist and aggressive, their arrogance boosted by some discussion of climate change.
Reply ID 67902
30 years ago there were only 2 cars in the whole of Great Britain.
Reply ID 67903
quote:I am both a motorist and cyclist too. As a pedestrian I object to being almost mown down by cyclists over the age of 12 on the pavements. I have little choice about sitting in a traffic jam in the morning as I live too far from school to walk - a 9 mile journey is a bit much on a bike for a 6 year old in the morning[:)]
Originally posted by jamesquote:So you don't want cyclists to use roads or pavements? You've also incorrectly assumed that motorists and cyclists are two separate groups. They're not. A lot of cyclists also own cars, paying the same amount of road fund licence as other motorists. They just choose to ride bikes. And remember for each bike you see each morning that's one less car in that traffic jam you're sitting in.
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:I agree - we pay road tax to use the roads as car users, why not tax the cyclist? Can cyclists please stop using pavements too [:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67906
quote:Blimey, 9 miles! I didn't realise local school admissions had got so bad.
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:I am both a motorist and cyclist too. As a pedestrian I object to being almost mown down by cyclists over the age of 12 on the pavements. I have little choice about sitting in a traffic jam in the morning as I live too far from school to walk - a 9 mile journey is a bit much on a bike for a 6 year old in the morning[:)]
Originally posted by jamesquote:So you don't want cyclists to use roads or pavements? You've also incorrectly assumed that motorists and cyclists are two separate groups. They're not. A lot of cyclists also own cars, paying the same amount of road fund licence as other motorists. They just choose to ride bikes. And remember for each bike you see each morning that's one less car in that traffic jam you're sitting in.
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:I agree - we pay road tax to use the roads as car users, why not tax the cyclist? Can cyclists please stop using pavements too [:)]
Originally posted by Mr P
What does everyone thing about making cyclists have insurance, pass a proper proficiency test (akin to a driver's license) and legally have to obey the rules of the road?
Reply ID 67913
Private school daaaahhhhrrrlllliiingg [:D]
Reply ID 67915
quote:I gathered that. I was, rather cruelly, ribbing you over the "I have little choice" bit.[;)]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Private school daaaahhhhrrrlllliiingg [:D]
Reply ID 67917
I would rather drive 9 miles and sit in a traffic jam for half an hour every morning and use the private school we use that go to the village school near me !!
Reply ID 67921
quote:Now you're just goading me.[:D] Must resist......
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
I would rather drive 9 miles and sit in a traffic jam for half an hour every morning and use the private school we use that go to the village school near me !!
Reply ID 67928
Oh go on - start a new thread about private education and the trouble us 4x4 drivers cause every day!! ps - we are not Duncombe rat runners [:p]
Reply ID 67929
quote:Different and much wider subject on which we may well agree. I just picked up on the claim of you not having a choice. You do, and a much broader one than vast majority.
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Oh go on - start a new thread about private education and the trouble us 4x4 drivers cause every day!! ps - we are not Duncombe rat runners [:p]
Reply ID 67932
What's my choice then ... helicopter?!!
Reply ID 67935
quote:You drive your daughter to school because you chose a school which is a long way away. Presumably, you also chose your home location. Hence you do not have to drive 9 miles, you choose to.
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
What's my choice then ... helicopter?!!
Reply ID 67936
I used to live in Hertford and my daugther goes to school in Hertingfordbury. We chose to move to a village for quality of life and for the extra amount of space we get for our money away from Hertford's overpriced housing. I don't mind the drive, in fact I quite enjoy it - as a fellow petrolhead i like driving [:)]
Reply ID 67938
quote:That's more like it.[:)]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
I used to live in Hertford and my daugther goes to school in Hertingfordbury. We chose to move to a village for quality of life and for the extra amount of space we get for our money away from Hertford's overpriced housing. I don't mind the drive, in fact I quite enjoy it - as a fellow petrolhead i like driving [:)]
Reply ID 67940
You are going off topic. The questions are - can car drivers rightly accuse cyclists of acting dangerously when going through red lights - answer = no in my opinion - can pedestrians rightly accuse cyclists of acting dangerously in the same circumstances - answer = maybe
Reply ID 67943
It's not just the pavement cyclists who are a danger to pedestrains - what about mobility scooters? Too many of the people who use these assume that their "Disability" gives them the right to plough their way down the pavement and expect everyone in front to get out of their way.
Reply ID 67945
If things are bad now what’s it going to be like if the proposed (EU?) law that in the event of an accident the motorist will automatically be deemed to be at fault comes into force? No doubt insurance premiums will rocket as cyclist’s having jumped a red light[B)] & caused an accident put in a claim for compensation.
Reply ID 67946
quote:More gone off, than going off.[:I] The cyclists are acting "dangerously" to themselves. Though I'm generally in favour of everybody being responsible for their own safety, there is such a thing as an active reckless disregard which places the responsibility for one's own safety on others, in this case, car drivers. There is a difference between, say, not wearing PPE and an action which potentially requires evasive action by another road user. In this case, crossing the red light requires there to be a change in normal expectation and assessment of the level of risk by pedestrians, drivers and other cyclists.
Originally posted by Freddie
You are going off topic. The questions are - can car drivers rightly accuse cyclists of acting dangerously when going through red lights - answer = no in my opinion - can pedestrians rightly accuse cyclists of acting dangerously in the same circumstances - answer = maybe
Reply ID 67948
How much better it would be if EVERYBODY obeyed the rules.
Reply ID 67951
quote:Even better, if they did, we wouldn't need the rules, or the traffic lights.[^]
Originally posted by Eyeone
How much better it would be if EVERYBODY obeyed the rules.
Reply ID 67962
quote:This crazy proposal is actually about making the larger "vehicle" liable. Therefore, in any accident involving a cyclist and a pedestrian, the cyclist would automatically be at fault.
Originally posted by Eyeone
If things are bad now what’s it going to be like if the proposed (EU?) law that in the event of an accident the motorist will automatically be deemed to be at fault comes into force? No doubt insurance premiums will rocket as cyclist’s having jumped a red light[B)] & caused an accident put in a claim for compensation.
Reply ID 67966
if you think Hertford is bad try walking in Amsterdam [:0][B)]...a small group of us went about 8 years ago and it became an 'in joke' that every few minutes we'd have to shout 'bike!' to avoid one of us being hit.
Reply ID 67967
I'd say cities like Amsterdam have actually got it right!
Reply ID 67968
quote:But it could actually save a lot of lives. It would certainly focus the mind and make car drivers more aware of cyclists and treat them with the same respect they give to other road users. Then we might get more people cycling, and less aggresive cycling.
Originally posted by Stevequote:This crazy proposal is actually about making the larger "vehicle" liable. Therefore, in any accident involving a cyclist and a pedestrian, the cyclist would automatically be at fault.
Originally posted by Eyeone
If things are bad now what’s it going to be like if the proposed (EU?) law that in the event of an accident the motorist will automatically be deemed to be at fault comes into force? No doubt insurance premiums will rocket as cyclist’s having jumped a red light[B)] & caused an accident put in a claim for compensation.
Reply ID 67991
This is a good topic. I speak as a someone with a very powerful sports car. I actually really love driving. I also speak as someone with a gorgeous bike. I actually really love cycling. So where do my sympathies lie?... With the cyclist - no doubt at all.Why?... As a motorist I feel relatively safe, but as a cyclist I feel extremely vulnerable. I know that there are motorists who hate cyclists. I know that there are motorists who couldn't give a t*ss about cyclists. I know that there are motorists who are not paying attention to the road. I know that there are motorists who are nice people but just don't see you. As a motorists my destiny is pretty much in my own hands, but as a cyclist, my fate is usually in the hands of others. This 'cyclists jumping red lights' thing smacks of a sort of 'cyclist racism'. The 'norm' in the world of traffic is for cyclists to be the victims, the underdogs, not the aggressors. If you're racially prejudiced, you're labelled a 'racist'. If you're prejudiced against people who ride bikes, you can't be labelled 'cyclist', can you, so I'm starting to flounder here. Can someone please tell me what to call people who have an irrational hatred of cyclists? There's a lot of them about.
Reply ID 68002
As a pedestrian I am constantly amazed at the number of cyclists and motorists who jump red lights. Unfortunately I meet them almost daily as I have the pleasure of working in Ware. (Just try crossing Ware High Street at the pedestrian lights outside Guidepost shop) As for the disability vehicles........................
Reply ID 68003
quote:I think the term is 'Clarksonist'.
Originally posted by homeless
This is a good topic. I speak as a someone with a very powerful sports car. I actually really love driving. I also speak as someone with a gorgeous bike. I actually really love cycling. So where do my sympathies lie?... With the cyclist - no doubt at all.Why?... As a motorist I feel relatively safe, but as a cyclist I feel extremely vulnerable. I know that there are motorists who hate cyclists. I know that there are motorists who couldn't give a t*ss about cyclists. I know that there are motorists who are not paying attention to the road. I know that there are motorists who are nice people but just don't see you. As a motorists my destiny is pretty much in my own hands, but as a cyclist, my fate is usually in the hands of others. This 'cyclists jumping red lights' thing smacks of a sort of 'cyclist racism'. The 'norm' in the world of traffic is for cyclists to be the victims, the underdogs, not the aggressors. If you're racially prejudiced, you're labelled a 'racist'. If you're prejudiced against people who ride bikes, you can't be labelled 'cyclist', can you, so I'm starting to flounder here. Can someone please tell me what to call people who have an irrational hatred of cyclists? There's a lot of them about.
Reply ID 68029
Just picture it, a drunk staggering out of the sugar hut is hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and who had swerved after being hit by a motorist who had jumped the red light from the other direction.[:D]
Reply ID 68030
quote:If this scenario occurred on a Thursday night / early Friday morning to a Sugar Hut drunk then I am sure a few posters to this forum would rush to honour the cyclist & the motorist [:D]
Originally posted by Eyeone
Just picture it, a drunk staggering out of the sugar hut is hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and who had swerved after being hit by a motorist who had jumped the red light from the other direction.[:D]
Reply ID 68031
You’re right there Woody[;)]
Reply ID 68040
quote:Cycopath? Good post, BTW.
Originally posted by homeless
If you're racially prejudiced, you're labelled a 'racist'. If you're prejudiced against people who ride bikes, you can't be labelled 'cyclist', can you, so I'm starting to flounder here. Can someone please tell me what to call people who have an irrational hatred of cyclists? There's a lot of them about.
Reply ID 68042
I must say I was very impressed at the skill and dexterity of the guy who jumped the red light at Old Cross towards St Andrews whilst still sipping his pint on Saturday afternoon.
Reply ID 68043
quote:However, under the scheme mentioned in a previous post, in the way that it was portrayed, only the drunk would not be liable.[:0] Back when I was being trained as a professional driver (we had to avoid collisions with dinosaurs then) I was taught that every accident is my fault[B)]. Someone causes the accident and someone fails to anticipate and avoid it.
Originally posted by Woodyquote:If this scenario occurred on a Thursday night / early Friday morning to a Sugar Hut drunk then I am sure a few posters to this forum would rush to honour the cyclist & the motorist [:D]
Originally posted by Eyeone
Just picture it, a drunk staggering out of the sugar hut is hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and who had swerved after being hit by a motorist who had jumped the red light from the other direction.[:D]
Reply ID 68065
quote:...even if the cyclist was a hooting and yelling teenage yob from the Methodist Church Youth Club just round the corner?
Originally posted by Woodyquote:If this scenario occurred on a Thursday night / early Friday morning to a Sugar Hut drunk then I am sure a few posters to this forum would rush to honour the cyclist & the motorist [:D]
Originally posted by Eyeone
Just picture it, a drunk staggering out of the sugar hut is hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and who had swerved after being hit by a motorist who had jumped the red light from the other direction.[:D]
Reply ID 68067
quote:...or more accurately, "A**hole", more latterly labelled, "KeithChegwinhole".
Originally posted by dennismoorequote:I think the term is 'Clarksonist'.
Originally posted by homeless
If you're racially prejudiced, you're labelled a 'racist'. If you're prejudiced against people who ride bikes, you can't be labelled 'cyclist', can you, so I'm starting to flounder here. Can someone please tell me what to call people who have an irrational hatred of cyclists? There's a lot of them about.
Reply ID 68068
quote:Which red lights would he/she be running from that direction towards Old Cross? [;)]
Originally posted by homelessquote:...even if the cyclist was a hooting and yelling teenage yob from the Methodist Church Youth Club just round the corner?
Originally posted by Woodyquote:If this scenario occurred on a Thursday night / early Friday morning to a Sugar Hut drunk then I am sure a few posters to this forum would rush to honour the cyclist & the motorist [:D]
Originally posted by Eyeone
Just picture it, a drunk staggering out of the sugar hut is hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and who had swerved after being hit by a motorist who had jumped the red light from the other direction.[:D]
Reply ID 68084
quote:Noooo - he came from Cowbridge, ran the red lights at Old Cross, then did a sharp U-turn and ran the red lights again, going back towards his noisy friends, cycling on the path and hitting the horrible noisy drunk. I'd have thought someone as clever as you would have known that.
Originally posted by Woodyquote:Which red lights would he/she be running from that direction towards Old Cross? [;)]
Originally posted by homelessquote:...even if the cyclist was a hooting and yelling teenage yob from the Methodist Church Youth Club just round the corner?
Originally posted by Woodyquote:If this scenario occurred on a Thursday night / early Friday morning to a Sugar Hut drunk then I am sure a few posters to this forum would rush to honour the cyclist & the motorist [:D]
Originally posted by Eyeone
Just picture it, a drunk staggering out of the sugar hut is hit by a cyclist who has jumped a red light and who had swerved after being hit by a motorist who had jumped the red light from the other direction.[:D]
Reply ID 68105
I never thought that when I wrote the original thread that this was such a contentious issue... However, someone 'up there' must be having a laugh, as this morning, after innocently posting a letter at Old Cross, I was almost run down as I crossed back to St.Andrew Street by a motorist from the Bengeo direction ignoring the red light and THEN two seconds later by a cyclist doing the same thing as I reached The Hertford Women's Society. Glad to reach the safety of my desk!
Reply ID 68109
There I was riding my bike on my way to The Hertford Women's Society this morning when I saw the b****y b*****d who started this whole argument in the first place. Damn well nearly got him too!
Reply ID 68114
quote:Serves you right if you'd got your skirt caught in your spokes, I say, Dennis[:p]
Originally posted by dennismoore
There I was riding my bike on my way to The Hertford Women's Society this morning when I saw the b****y b*****d who started this whole argument in the first place. Damn well nearly got him too!
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Now now - play nice, guys! *J* [img]http://foolstown.com/sm/nzd.gif[/img]
Reply ID 68229
This thread's giving me a grin. [:)]
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quote:..and tonic with a slice of lemon? come to think about it, can you be breatherlised on a bike if you're caught going through a red traffic light?
Originally posted by homeless
This thread's giving me a grin. [:)]
Reply ID 68240
Yes! you can be drunk in charge of a pushbike and drunk on a horse... now there's a thought!!![:D]
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