Topic ID 5312
I'm not sure if this would have resulted in an increase in flights over Hertford but confess to relief that plans for a second runway have been shelved. http://www.stanstedairport.com/portal/page/Stansted%5EGeneral%5EAbout%20Stansted%20Airport%5EMedia%20centre%5ENews%20releases%5EResults/358779f1259c8210VgnVCM20000039821c0a____/a22889d8759a0010VgnVCM200000357e120a____/
Reply ID 74570
Great news on many fronts. [:)]
Reply ID 74573
And how many of the objectors happily use Stansted when they go on holiday??
Reply ID 74574
quote:Surely all of the objectors do not use air travel [;)]
Originally posted by buzz
And how many of the objectors happily use Stansted when they go on holiday??
Reply ID 74575
At risk of playing devil's advocate here, but aren't "the objectors" objecting to a second runway, rather than the existing facilities. They are not necessarily anti-airport, just against the expansion of the airport. It seems perfectly legitimate to fly from Stansted whilst objecting to airport expansion. I could object to major housing development in Hertford, but that doesn't mean I object to existing developments, nor does it mean that I can't take that position whilst living in and benefiting from an existing development in the town.
Reply ID 74578
Hypothetically speaking in 5 years time when you may fancy a trip to NY and the cheapest option was to fly from Stansted, you would of course still jump in your car and drive around the M25 to LHR or LGW rather than a nice poodle up the road to Stansted. The same could be said for finding you next step up in the housing ladder on the very same developement you originally objected to. The same can be said when Arsenal fans berated Sol Campbell whilst at Spurs ect, ect ect.
Reply ID 74580
quote:But if in future you wish to fly from Stansted, but can't get a flight because there are not enough slots with existing runway, how would you feel? I am in favour of an extra runway and just can't understand the Luddite attitude of some people.
Originally posted by Steve
At risk of playing devil's advocate here, but aren't "the objectors" objecting to a second runway, rather than the existing facilities. They are not necessarily anti-airport, just against the expansion of the airport. It seems perfectly legitimate to fly from Stansted whilst objecting to airport expansion. I could object to major housing development in Hertford, but that doesn't mean I object to existing developments, nor does it mean that I can't take that position whilst living in and benefiting from an existing development in the town.
Reply ID 74595
Perhaps some of us think it's good news because: a) We don't think covering ever greater parts of the countryside with concrete so a certain Irish airline can keep on expanding is a good idea. b) Would rather not have the skies crowded with ever more planes with the resultant noise and pollution. c) Note that the rapid rise in air travel could well be a bubble, and we all know what happens to those.
Reply ID 74596
quote:It's worth considering the alternatives - I've changed my mode of travel over the past few years and now use rail much more and it's much less hassle than either air travel or the car. For example the last time I went to Paris I got the train direct from St Pancras to the centre of Paris and it took 4 hours and was a heck of a lot nicer than air travel. I'm going up to Edinburgh soon and it was cheaper than air travel, takes only 4 hours and takes me to the city centre. Add to that it's not affected by the volcanic ash and I see no reason to even consider air travel unless I can't do it by train in the future. I shall certainly be reducing my air travel over the next few years so you can have my slots [:D], plus the ones BA will free up once they go to the wall! Of course you can't cut out all air travel and nobody is suggesting that, but I suggest a lot of people don't need to *increase* the number of times they fly when there are better alternatives which is what this is all about!
Originally posted by buzz But if in future you wish to fly from Stansted, but can't get a flight because there are not enough slots with existing runway, how would you feel? I am in favour of an extra runway and just can't understand the Luddite attitude of some people.
Reply ID 74603
quote:Would you feel the same though if the airport was not at Stansted but Stanstead Abotts say?
Originally posted by buzz But if in future you wish to fly from Stansted, but can't get a flight because there are not enough slots with existing runway, how would you feel? I am in favour of an extra runway and just can't understand the Luddite attitude of some people.
Reply ID 75364
Why if the second runway has been withdrawn are Kier construction contracted to build it?!
Reply ID 75365
quote:I don't think they have. What is the source of your information? [:)] Kier is one of BAA's Commodity Build Framework contractors and work with them on a variety of building and refurbishment projects, but this contract is only for 5 years.
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Why if the second runway has been withdrawn are Kier construction contracted to build it?!
Reply ID 75366
If I told you I'd have to kill you ha ha ha haha ha (manic laughter) They are likely to be working at Stansted for a lot longer than 5 years [8D]
Reply ID 75367
Perhaps this site would be of use...... http://www.publictenders.net/tender/52409
Reply ID 75369
quote:Thanks Ewoowar. This is just for airport buildings, not a runway. It's just a general construction contact and only runs until the end of March 2011. In addition, it only covers projects of less that £5m. A new runway and/or terminal buildings would cost slightly more than that! There's always building work going on somewhere at the airport and Kier are BAA's current contractors.
Originally posted by Ewoowar
Perhaps this site would be of use...... http://www.publictenders.net/tender/52409
Reply ID 75370
believe what you choose to believe ....................
Reply ID 75372
quote:As the runway decision was made in Downing Street and not by BAA or Kier , im very impressed by the level of your source . [:D]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
If I told you I'd have to kill you ha ha ha haha ha (manic laughter)
Reply ID 75374
When did anything decided in Downing Street ever ring true - broken promises and all that
Reply ID 75376
Some facts: Planning permission has not been granted for a second runway There is no planning application for a second runway BAA has no [formal/announced] plans to submit a planning application for a second runway Expanding Stansted [or any other] airport is no longer government policy I am not aware of any pressure to build a second runway at Stansted and in the light of the above facts and the current economic climate I cannot see the circumstances under which one would be built. If you choose not to believe BAA and/or the current government and have something substantive to support that view then that is your prerogative (this is not having a go at any one particular individual by-the-way, just general comment). Personally, even before the recent change of government, I was of the opinion that despite the plans, it would be a generation before a second runway would be a reality and now I think it's even further off. Uttlesford District Council would almost certainly turn the plans down and there would doubtless be a long public enquiry. In the meantime, BAA's future ownership of the airport is questionable, if not doubtful. Whoever owns the airport is going to have to find an awful lot of dosh to fund the project at a time when money's a little on the tight side. Unfortunately chinese whispers on emotive subjects can lead to all sorts of misinformation circulating. [:)]
Reply ID 75378
quote:Spot on , that is probably a bigger obstacle to a 2nd runway than the lack of planning permission. Also Stansted's single runway can handle 32 million passengers a year , i think they peaked at about 24 million and are now going backwards .
Originally posted by Steve BAA's future ownership of the airport is questionable, if not doubtful. Whoever owns the airport is going to have to find an awful lot of dosh to fund the project at a time when money's a little on the tight side.
Reply ID 75381
quote:Would this be the same source that told you Nandos were coming to Hertford? [:p]
Originally posted by Kitty Katquote:If I told you I'd have to kill you ha ha ha haha ha (manic laughter)
Originally posted by Stevequote:What is the source of your information? [:)]
Originally posted by Kitty Kat
Why if the second runway has been withdrawn are Kier construction contracted to build it?!
Reply ID 75388
Lighten up you lot - it's summer [:)]
Reply ID 75390
Nando's are coming to Hertford . . . . . . . well I never. . . . . :-)
Reply ID 75419
quote:No, Nandos are going to Stansted (source - High Level[;)])
Originally posted by Billywindsock
Nando's are coming to Hertford . . . . . . . well I never. . . . . :-)
Reply ID 75420
shouldnt that be "sauce" :)