Topic ID 5407
Hi All, Just noticed that permission for about 90 plus "dwellings" has been applied for on the small field next to the Wick in Sacombe Road, Bengeo. Does anyone know any more about this as I thought it was still part of the Green Belt (or has that belt become elastic?). I am not sure how I feel about this but it would depend what they want to put on it. Family houses yes but loads of flats no. What do the rest of you think? In an ideal world it would be nice if that could be absorbed into the Wick Recreation Ground to make a bigger rec or footy pitches (but it's not an ideal world!).
Reply ID 75743
Update...Just noticed on this very site its 97 Homes and it was put in by Fairview Homes. This seems to be applied for every so often I guess it will happen one day.
Reply ID 75747
quote:I've lived in Hertford all my life and I've never heard of Marghgate Drive and Mean Lane [:D]
Local company Zog are proposing 182 new homes along the River Lee west of Marghgate Drive. The site is currently an industrial area occupied by Marshall Panelcraft and Crossbrook Furniture. It is adjacent to Elder Court, the new development in Mean Lane.
Reply ID 75748
quote:Nice to know its not just me that makes typo's [:D] The planning application is here http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=3/10/1198/FP&backURL=<a href=wphappcriteria.display>Search Criteria</a> > <a href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=478229%26StartIndex=31%26SortOrder=APNID:asc%26DispResultsAs=wphappsresweek1%26BackURL=<a href=wphappcriteria.display>Search Criteria</a>'>Search Results</a>
Originally posted by Forbesquote:I've lived in Hertford all my life and I've never heard of Marghgate Drive and Mean Lane [:D]
Local company Zog are proposing 182 new homes along the River Lee west of Marghgate Drive. The site is currently an industrial area occupied by Marshall Panelcraft and Crossbrook Furniture. It is adjacent to Elder Court, the new development in Mean Lane.
Reply ID 75750
I do hope these will be scores of unimaginatively designed boxes with small living spaces and no outdoor living area to speak of, devoid of character and crammed full of all the latest sales phrases.
Reply ID 75751
quote:Hopefully the design will include large amounts of that wonderful wood cladding that looks so faded and stained after only 6 months [:)]
I do hope these will be scores of unimaginatively designed boxes with small living spaces and no outdoor living area to speak of, devoid of character and crammed full of all the latest sales phrases.
Reply ID 75752
If approved, which will create the biggest furore over additional traffic and congestion? The vehicles for 97 new homes at Sacombe Road to add to either the Bengeo rat-run or Sainsburys Cowbridge-Old Cross congestion zone? Or, vehicles for an additional 182 homes seeking to exit Mead Lane? Ouch!
Reply ID 75753
There are plans and drawings on the planning application so you can get and idea of the amount of green space and house styles. http://e-services.eastherts.gov.uk/rkyvportal/index.asp?caseref=3/10/1198/FP
Reply ID 75754
quote:Shameful. Profuse apologies. Copy corrected.
Originally posted by Forbesquote:I've lived in Hertford all my life and I've never heard of Marghgate Drive and Mean Lane [:D]
Local company Zog are proposing 182 new homes along the River Lee west of Marghgate Drive. The site is currently an industrial area occupied by Marshall Panelcraft and Crossbrook Furniture. It is adjacent to Elder Court, the new development in Mean Lane.
Reply ID 75775
Well it appears to be lots of small 3 bed houses and 2 bed flats, very ordinary looking typical jamming in as much as we can design. If it were to be developed why not a much smaller number of detached 4 bed houses and semis with decent gardens like the Avenue (I know its all about Fairview's profits). Perhaps if the council said no building density higher than currently in the area that might deter all developers as they couldn't screw enough profit out of it. Anyway why does all available land end up with developers to screw it for profit rather than parcels of land sold to self builders to commission their own (I guess I am very naiive).
Reply ID 75777
building density is controlled by government not council.
Reply ID 75778
I hope this will be accompanied by a bit of joined up thinking. Local schools, especially Bengeo, will need to expand their capacity.
Reply ID 75779
quote:This would be funny if it wasn't so serious. I really don't think the council cares about this issue. I have two new neighbours in Hertford who have to take their children to a primary school in Welwyn Garden City.
Originally posted by dennismoore
I hope this will be accompanied by a bit of joined up thinking. Local schools, especially Bengeo, will need to expand their capacity.
Reply ID 76066
Doesn't look very pretty really does it - an updated version of the Pinehurst estate to my mind. Given that any 2bed flats are likely to be occupied by working couples or let as investments to same then each is likely to have a car and the parking would be absolutely impossible! I also think it will really detract from the feeling of openness on the playing field there, let alone the noise and disturbance for the primary school while building works are going on. I have no feeling as to whether these types of developments get passed or not... what are considered 'planning' grounds for comments?
Reply ID 76069
The council has once again decided that to encourage less dependancy on peoples cars that they will agree to the developers spin on minimal parking spaces needed per unit...ie 1 each The developers blurb will then refer to green open spaces and illustrations of the houses/flats will only ever show the odd car on a driveway. Once people have bought into the illusion portrayed by the council/deveopers the reality will be much different. There will be cars bumped up on verges and huge in-fighting between residents over bad and inconsiderate parking. I feel sorry for those who buy here.
Reply ID 76077
Yeah, but just think of all that lovely council tax to pay their pensions with.
Reply ID 76078
quote:I don't agree with it, but this has been a development site for some while in the Local Development Frame; http://www.eastherts.gov.uk/media/pdf/j/a/CFS_Maps_-_03_Hertford.pdf Others are here, including villages: http://www.eastherts.gov.uk/media/pdf/j/a/CFS_Maps_-_03_Hertford.pdf
Originally posted by boltona
Doesn't look very pretty really does it - an updated version of the Pinehurst estate to my mind. Given that any 2bed flats are likely to be occupied by working couples or let as investments to same then each is likely to have a car and the parking would be absolutely impossible! I also think it will really detract from the feeling of openness on the playing field there, let alone the noise and disturbance for the primary school while building works are going on. I have no feeling as to whether these types of developments get passed or not... what are considered 'planning' grounds for comments?
Reply ID 76168
Comments on the development have to be in by the 12th August, you've got to be quick if you want a say and haven't already done so [;)]
Reply ID 76937
We had a letter yesterday to say permission was granted with conditions.
Reply ID 76950
Personally, I think as the county has to commit to building a certain number of new homes, this is quite a good place to put some of them. I don't see what the problem is. The infrastructure is there regarding schools and transport, it's already closely bordered by houses, roads and school so it's not going to spoil any countryside.
Reply ID 76954
quote:Shame about the 651,993 homes that are standing empty at the moment. [url="http://www.emptyhomes.com/usefulresources/stats/2009breakdown.htm"]Empty Homes Stats[/url]
Originally posted by nora batty
Personally, I think as the county has to commit to building a certain number of new homes...
Reply ID 76955
Not many empty in East Herts though
Reply ID 76958
quote:Its not putting them tere it WHAT they want to put there and the desity, there are already a lot of flats in Hertford what is required I think is more 3 or 4 bed family homes that are affordable and that does not seem to be what they are proposing to build.
Originally posted by nora batty
Personally, I think as the county has to commit to building a certain number of new homes, this is quite a good place to put some of them. I don't see what the problem is. The infrastructure is there regarding schools and transport, it's already closely bordered by houses, roads and school so it's not going to spoil any countryside.
Reply ID 76973
What is your definition of "affordable"? If there is high demand, the prices will rise to whatever the market will bear.
Reply ID 76976
quote:Well yes of course that is true but at the same time there is a happy medium between a flat that no one wants and a millon pound house that no one can afford.
Originally posted by nora batty
What is your definition of "affordable"? If there is high demand, the prices will rise to whatever the market will bear.
Reply ID 76977
quote:And as a result, house prices rise as they have in places like Hertford to a level which is unaffordable for buyers on an average income.
Originally posted by nora batty
What is your definition of "affordable"? If there is high demand, the prices will rise to whatever the market will bear.
Reply ID 76980
Buyers have to cut their coat according to their cloth. If you can't afford the house you want in Hertford, you either buy a smaller house or look elsewhere. That's how it works. Hertford is obviously attractive to people with higher than average incomes, who are prepared to pay higher than average prices to live here. I don't see what's wrong with that.
Reply ID 76983
I agree with Nora. If I had the wealth, through hard work, I would use it, nothing wrong with that. I would still remember my roots, my upbringing and advocate all people to get into some form of home through hard work and not using sofa style benefit scrounging. What I don't agree with are spongers who use their lucky situation to cream off the money, move into a nice home and then spout off about it continually.
Reply ID 76985
But there's clearly something wrong when people who provide essential services, not to mention shop workers etc cannot afford to live in the town inwhich they work.
Reply ID 76986
quote:I agree with that too. The divide from working class to benefit class is not that large. The divide from middle class (white collar) to working class is now closing. The divide from benefit class to middle class is massive. Is there a real upper class in Hertford? Nah. Not in my opinion.
Originally posted by dennismoore
But there's clearly something wrong when people who provide essential services, not to mention shop workers etc cannot afford to live in the town inwhich they work.
Reply ID 76991
quote:Do most key workers in areas of severe deprivation live in the area in they work? I imagine they choose not to, preferring instead to live in other areas, and therefore reducing the amount of "affordable" housing available to their fellow key workers who work nearby. Most of us do not live in the town in which we work. Do you think most shop or catering workers in Mayfair live in Mayfair? Do you think they should be given subsidised or preferential treatment to live in Mayfair? And what is James007's definition of "Upper Class"? Is it based on income? Education? Ancestry? There are certainly plenty of very wealthy people living in or around Hertford.
But there's clearly something wrong when people who provide essential services, not to mention shop workers etc cannot afford to live in the town in which they work
Reply ID 76994
In the 70s and 80s the back bar in the Sailsbury Arms certainly used to be frequented by many of the old county set. I'm not sure if thety still had money or not, but they were certainly recognisable.
Reply ID 77010
quote:Indeed, more people find it necessary to travel long distances to work each day than was the case a few of decades ago, but I'm sure you'd agree that that's not an ideal situation. I don't know about Mayfair, but it was only about a generation ago that young middle income families could comfortably afford to set up home here in Hertford. Unfortunately many people, including some of those growing up in Hertford now, can't and won't be able to afford to in the future. I think that's a great shame.
Originally posted by nora battyquote:Do most key workers in areas of severe deprivation live in the area in they work? I imagine they choose not to, preferring instead to live in other areas, and therefore reducing the amount of "affordable" housing available to their fellow key workers who work nearby. Most of us do not live in the town in which we work. Do you think most shop or catering workers in Mayfair live in Mayfair? Do you think they should be given subsidised or preferential treatment to live in Mayfair? And what is James007's definition of "Upper Class"? Is it based on income? Education? Ancestry? There are certainly plenty of very wealthy people living in or around Hertford.
But there's clearly something wrong when people who provide essential services, not to mention shop workers etc cannot afford to live in the town in which they work
Reply ID 79369
I have desperately been searching the internet for information about Sacombe Road and Google brought me to this topic which I hope you won't mind me resurrecting and changing the track ! I have been trying to trace my wife's father for many years and the trail has finally led me to Sacombe Road where he sadly died in 1991. Electoral roll records then show that his widow continued to live at number 7 until 2003. I am therefore searching for anybody who lives in, has lived in or knows somebody who has lived in, Sacombe Road from the 1980's up to 2003. My wife's father was Leonard George Holt and she last saw him in 1947. His second wife was Dorothy Edith Holt (nee Anderson) who was born in 1922 and would be 88 now if still alive. Any information whatsoever would be very gratefully received. Many thanks Brian
Reply ID 79376
Sincere apologies to all as it's just been pointed out to me that I have the wrong Sacombe Road. I'm searching for Hemel Hempstead and NOT Hertford so back to the drawing board !!
Reply ID 79892
I see that gound clearance work has now started here, together with a large sign facing Sacombe Road about the development.
Reply ID 80492
"Do most key workers in areas of severe deprivation live in the area in they work? I imagine they choose not to, preferring instead to live in other areas, and therefore reducing the amount of "affordable" housing available to their fellow key workers who work nearby. Most of us do not live in the town in which we work. Do you think most shop or catering workers in Mayfair live in Mayfair? Do you think they should be given subsidised or preferential treatment to live in Mayfair?" Do we really want Hertford to turn into a "Mayfair"? only for the rich with key workers and local workers travelling in everyday to serve the few that can afford live in Hertford? It wouldn't do much for improving the traffic and parking in hertford, something to think about maybe?