Topic ID 6895
Does anyone know what mechanisms our newly appointed commissioner will be using to cummunicate with his electorate?
Reply ID 91156
Phone him and ask ..........[;)][:)]
Reply ID 91163
quote:When we see some output perhaps I will. On a positive note, and to answere my own question, there is wealth of information about how things should work here: http://www.hertspcp.org.uk/default.aspx Having had this process somewhat foisted on us we should use the portals above to keep it under scrutiny. Do you think Mr Lloyd has an alter ego on the forum(s)?
Originally posted by Moulder
Phone him and ask ..........[;)][:)]
Reply ID 91167
Peter Ruffles tweeted this earlier today Cllr Peter Ruffles #8207;@PeterRuffles Questions and detailed queries about nature of my role as @hertscc 'rep' on Police and Crime Panel. 'Holding Commissioner to account'. Fun! https://twitter.com/PeterRuffles/status/271026704393330690 I don't know if he has a formal role in holding the new PCC to account. Like us all, I am still trying to grasp the implications of the changes.
Reply ID 91168
quote:Peter (bless him) is a member of the Police and Crime Panel which meets for the first time on the 6th December: https://twitter.com/PeterRuffles/status/271026704393330690 So it does look as though we can make our views known via our councillors on the panel. I look forward to scrutinising the minutes.
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
Peter Ruffles tweeted this earlier today Cllr Peter Ruffles #8207;@PeterRuffles Questions and detailed queries about nature of my role as @hertscc 'rep' on Police and Crime Panel. 'Holding Commissioner to account'. Fun! https://twitter.com/PeterRuffles/status/271026704393330690 I don't know if he has a formal role in holding the new PCC to account. Like us all, I am still trying to grasp the implications of the changes.
Reply ID 92629
There is a new draft report on what the Commissioner wants to implement, encouraging feedback from local people. [url="http://www.hertscommissioner.org/"]Herts police draft report[/url] In my opinion, he was doing so well until page 9, 'direct payback'.
Reply ID 92632
Comment: Crime commissioner becomes figure of blame and ridiculeComment: Crime commissioner becomes figure of blame and ridicule http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/columnist/10186141.Crime_commissioner_becomes_figure_of_blame_and_ridicule/
Reply ID 92641
In other news... Deputy Herts police commissioner deletes Twitter post comparing Socialists to Nazis http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/News/Deputy-Herts-police-commissioner-compares-Socialists-to-Nazis-in-Twitter-post-20130211184540.htm So much for the non-politicisation of the police.
Reply ID 92643
Yes I saw that too ... I liked one of her later tweets "Why do people think that you agree with something just because you retweet it?" Well to my simplistic way of thinking if you repeat something without adding any contrary viewpoint its some sort of indication that you agree with the original statement.
Reply ID 92644
quote:“I think there is a general dispute about whether Nazism is right wing or left wing". “I don’t like left-wingers saying Nazis are on the extreme right". She continued: “It’s very simplistic to say communists are on the left and nationalists are on the right". I am speechless! [:(!][V][V]
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
In other news... Deputy Herts police commissioner deletes Twitter post comparing Socialists to Nazis http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/News/Deputy-Herts-police-commissioner-compares-Socialists-to-Nazis-in-Twitter-post-20130211184540.htm So much for the non-politicisation of the police.
Reply ID 92645
quote:What he said. Now and again there is something which is just so incredibly extreme that it's impossible to find words that express the level of shock.
Originally posted by Darcy Sartoquote:“I think there is a general dispute about whether Nazism is right wing or left wing". “I don’t like left-wingers saying Nazis are on the extreme right". She continued: “It’s very simplistic to say communists are on the left and nationalists are on the right". I am speechless! [:(!][V][V]
Originally posted by Enoughofthat
In other news... Deputy Herts police commissioner deletes Twitter post comparing Socialists to Nazis http://www.hertfordshiremercury.co.uk/News/Deputy-Herts-police-commissioner-compares-Socialists-to-Nazis-in-Twitter-post-20130211184540.htm So much for the non-politicisation of the police.
Reply ID 92646
Hertfordshire Deputy Police Commissioner defends Hitler tweet http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/10221029.Hertfordshire_Deputy_Police_Commissioner_defends_Hitler_tweet/ This afternoon she added: “If there are any left wing people offended by it that was not my intention. She seems obsessed with labelling and pigeon-holeing.
Reply ID 92660
The BBC are on to it now ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-21426494 ... and The Daily Mail ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-21426494
Reply ID 92673
Don't mention ze war.
Reply ID 92675
“I think there is a general dispute about whether Nazism is right wing or left wing". Just a little historical point and I in no way join in this discussion other than to say: The National Socialist party of Germany in the 30s would actually be classed more left than right wing. Rather like if you read the policies of the BNP they tend to lean left rather than right. Don't forget the communists murdered just as many people as the Nazis.
Reply ID 92676
quote:Anyone who understands the two ideologies will know that this is utter bulls**t. It's an 'argument' often used by right wing groups such as the bnp to try and distant their own ideology from that of nazis.
Originally posted by carlos fandango
“I think there is a general dispute about whether Nazism is right wing or left wing". Just a little historical point and I in no way join in this discussion other than to say: The National Socialist party of Germany in the 30s would actually be classed more left than right wing. Rather like if you read the policies of the BNP they tend to lean left rather than right. Don't forget the communists murdered just as many people as the Nazis.
Reply ID 92681
Having read more about this story it appears that the point she was trying (very badly) to make is that extreme ideologies of any sort should not be considered part of normal democratic/political discourse. It is a point but it is both obvious and not worth making especially if you make it so badly you leave yourself open to being labelled in a similar way.
Reply ID 92683
She has resigned.
Reply ID 92684
Her statement here: http://rachelfrosh.com/statement-on-the-retweet
Reply ID 92686
quote:She's still banging on that nazism and the BNP have more in common with leftist ideology than right. How did someone so ignorant get to be deputy Police commissioner?
Originally posted by Steve
Her statement here: http://rachelfrosh.com/statement-on-the-retweet
Reply ID 92687
quote:By being elected, rather than being selected by a historic merit and proven track record of ability in less senior roles.
Originally posted by dennismoorequote:She's still banging on that nazism and the BNP have more in common with leftist ideology than right. How did someone so ignorant get to be deputy Police commissioner?
Originally posted by Steve
Her statement here: http://rachelfrosh.com/statement-on-the-retweet
Reply ID 92689
quote:What a load.....
Originally posted by Steve
Her statement here: http://rachelfrosh.com/statement-on-the-retweet
Reply ID 92690
Shunt - she wasn't elected into that role but was selected by the PCC as part of his paid team, she is an elected councillor elsewhere in Hertfordshire.
Reply ID 92691
Wow. She is crackers. Fair enough, she's trying to distance centre-right politics from facism, but then to still try and say that socialism and the BNP are linked is just insulting. I consider myself to be a socialist, but I can't think of a single thing on which I'm in agreement with the BNP. In fact, I'd be quite happy to say I have nothing but utter contempt for the BNP. An absolute loon. Good job she's gone.
Reply ID 92693
quote:I'm glad she's not my councillor. She's resigned and then spent an hour or so looking on Wikipedia to try and find some support for her trite argument (which may have some truth but no merit). Hitler was, initially, after the "socialist" vote and this is reflected in some early speeches. Because she thinks she is in the centre of her "spectrum" of reasonableness she also thinks mainstream socialists (or "left wingers" in Frosh-speak) are equivalently extremist as the BNP and therefore have something in common. UKIP are probably on the 'phone to her now asking for policy advice.
Originally posted by Golden
Shunt - she wasn't elected into that role but was selected by the PCC as part of his paid team, she is an elected councillor elsewhere in Hertfordshire.
Reply ID 92694
quote:In the fashion of modern politics does this not "call into question the judgement" of our esteemed commissioner? Is it time to break out the pitchforks and flaming torches again?
Originally posted by Golden
Shunt - she wasn't elected into that role but was selected by the PCC as part of his paid team, she is an elected councillor elsewhere in Hertfordshire.
Reply ID 92696
I'll have a knobbly club and one of those lovely hot flaming torches please. I sent the PCC an email about his idea to charge people for a night in the cells. To his credit, he did email me back. To his un-credit, it was a lot of waffle about just trying to see if there were new ways to deliver a better service. I don't know his business or policing background, but I think he and others will slowly start to bring party politics to the police service.
Reply ID 92697
She reminds me of another appointed deputy from Alaska.
Reply ID 92698
Suppose the PCC can always claim to have cut spending to the tune of £20k per annum. Well done.
Reply ID 92702
Darcy just a question, what would you call or how would you class extreme left wingers who hold violent protests and shouting death threats to other people?
quote:
Originally posted by Darcy Sartoquote:I'm glad she's not my councillor. She's resigned and then spent an hour or so looking on Wikipedia to try and find some support for her trite argument (which may have some truth but no merit). Hitler was, initially, after the "socialist" vote and this is reflected in some early speeches. Because she thinks she is in the centre of her "spectrum" of reasonableness she also thinks mainstream socialists (or "left wingers" in Frosh-speak) are equivalently extremist as the BNP and therefore have something in common. UKIP are probably on the 'phone to her now asking for policy advice.
Originally posted by Golden
Shunt - she wasn't elected into that role but was selected by the PCC as part of his paid team, she is an elected councillor elsewhere in Hertfordshire.
Reply ID 92703
quote:I would class them as violently extreme left wingers. [?][?]
Originally posted by night owl
Darcy just a question, what would you call or how would you class extreme left wingers who hold violent protests and shouting death threats to other people?quote:
Originally posted by Darcy Sartoquote:I'm glad she's not my councillor. She's resigned and then spent an hour or so looking on Wikipedia to try and find some support for her trite argument (which may have some truth but no merit). Hitler was, initially, after the "socialist" vote and this is reflected in some early speeches. Because she thinks she is in the centre of her "spectrum" of reasonableness she also thinks mainstream socialists (or "left wingers" in Frosh-speak) are equivalently extremist as the BNP and therefore have something in common. UKIP are probably on the 'phone to her now asking for policy advice.
Originally posted by Golden
Shunt - she wasn't elected into that role but was selected by the PCC as part of his paid team, she is an elected councillor elsewhere in Hertfordshire.
Reply ID 92751
So violent extreme right wingers are nazi,s and violent extreme left wingers are? P.S I am not trying to be funny but just wondering if there was a name for them?
Reply ID 92753
Night Owl - Violent extreme left wingers are violent extreme left wingers. Labels aren't always useful as people start playing with them (like the much misunderstood Ms Frosh[;)]). I have a long running debate with a colleague as to whether Stalin was a Fascist or not (he wasn't) but it doesn't really matter. Bad people are bad people whatever their ideological stance or justification. Violence is generally hard to justify and bad. Extremism is sometimes bad and sometimes necessary (Ms Pankhurst). Left wing is a descriptive term dependant on perspective. When you start stringing them together you invent stereotypes (like "bearded, lefty, vegetarian, animal liberationist, activists" or "skinhead, bully boy, racist, neo-nazis). We all know what is meant but individuals don't always fit the profile. Anyhoo...... To more succinctly answer your question lets call them "Militant tendency, anti-nazi league, trotski-ite, rent-a-mob, bully boys" - (they know who they are)! [}:)][:D]
Reply ID 92765
Thanks Darcy and very well put, cheers.